Greta Thunberg - Civic or Artist?

[AspieMillennial]

(11-11-2019, 08:49 AM)Teejay Wrote:

(02-26-2017, 01:39 PM)freivolk Wrote:

(08-21-2016, 06:33 PM)Remy Renault Wrote: Even though the US and Western Europe are more or less in alignment, sometimes I feel the dates of certain turnings differ slightly depending on what side of the pond you're on. For instance, even if the American 2T lasted from 1965-1980, in Western Europe I think it was more late fifties to mid-seventies rather than mid sixties to early eighties like in the US. So if anything, Europe had a really f***ing long 3T. In Western Europe the "Sixties" were basically over before they officially ended according to the calendar whereas they lasted until about 1973 in the US. Or maybe it was only France and Italy who experienced their respective 2Ts ahead of schedule, say from 1959-1975, whereas the UK and Germany experienced theirs at roughly the same time as the US. I don't know...

But I think it's safe to say the 2T officially ended in Italy the night Pier Paolo Pasolini got murdered.

I think its obvious, the dates for the turnings between the US and Western Europe are very much in aligment. We have the 1T starting in 1948/9. In West Germany we have 1948 the Währungsreform (currency reform) and 1949 the foudation of the Federal Republic (were the first is in the german mindset more important then the later), in Italy the election of 1948 which stabilize the first Republic. I admit France is a bit complicated, but the economic recovering and the isolation of the communists also starts around 1947/8. That France has still to deal witha lot of leftover problems from the 4T is a result of Vichy, which coloboration tarnished the french hero generation and led to a restauration of the old 3T elite, till the Gaullists took over.
The 2T starts 1967/8 with the emerging youth(prophet) revolt. May 68 in Paris is definitly a important date.
1987 in West Germany, 1988 in France the ruling partys have slogans similar to "Its Morning, America" but in any case the events of 1989 show the beginning of the 3T.
The Financial crisis of 2008 had hit Europe much more, then the USA, whith creating a significant crisis of the Eurozone and the EU. With the Brexis this crisis reach ist boiling point.

Would not 1989 with the Fall of the Berlin Wall, along with the Second Summer of Love in Britain (which was the British Boomers or Generation 68'ers version of Woodstock), be a more fitting for end of the last 2T for Europe? Because the mood I get from Europe (minus Ireland, Turkey, Ukraine, Russia and Belarus which I argue are on a different saeculums) was one of spiritual satisfaction in 1989. Also I argue events of 1989 for Europe to me were a swan song to the Awakening, along with being a fitting end to an Awakening which started with the Prague Spring and the Protests of 1968.

(11-11-2019, 10:36 PM)Teejay Wrote:

(11-11-2019, 04:02 PM)taramarie Wrote: If you aren't here in New Zealand and have not grown up here you can only judge from a distance. It only takes you so far. I have first hand experience living here, growing up here which I can tell you all about as a millennial born late 1984 and yes we definitely are millennials. Ask kiwi's what its like here.

Tara Marie, 

For near on two decades, I have studied a lot Australian History, Politics and Popular Culture, also I have studied New Zealand’s to a lesser extent. Also, I have made extensive, detailed observations of people I have known in my life, along with public figures and generational societal attitudes in Australia.  Early on I rejected Strauss and Howe’s dates (whih they admitted were for North America) as not fitting the evidence for Australia, therefore I made my own estimates for Australian turnings and generations which pretty much exactly matches British (although interestingly not Irish) ones. 

Anyway, what observations I have made about New Zealand, have indicated a generational line-up identical to Australia’s. Indeed the 1980's for New Zealand, especially with the Revolutionary Fourth Labour Government, which was as revolutionary as Thatcher's Conservative government screams totally an Awakening to me. 

Anyway, regarding Australians born approximately from 1983 to 1986, I see us being late members of a Nomad generation. Indeed, observations I have made about these cohorts, which I have shared to American old T4T posters, have remarked that would make observations like that of those born in the late 1970's. Also they remark Australia's societal mood currently is similar to America's around 2014-2015, complete with a Tea Party style government, which is turning into a Trump style one. New Zealand's government to me seems to be a somewhat progressive version of the Obama administration.

However, some of us identify as Millennial's and conform to the Civic archetype or even have elements of both Civic and Nomad archetypes, but I am not one of them, I see myself as a Nomad belonging to a Nomad generation, despite these days I am far from a typical Nomad, although many people younger than me are very much Nomads, this all expected of what are considered ‘cuspers’. Although in the people I have known in my life, a lot of those born in the early to middle 1980's are very often Nomads, rather than Civics. While I see more Civics among those born in the late 1980's, although even you get sometimes either Nomads or Nomad/Civic hybrids, indeed the Civic archetype only starts becoming really dominant in the early 1990's cohorts.

Regarding my life experience, growing up in Australia, the experience is consistent of late wave member of a Nomad Generation, the same went for the great bulk of my peers as well. For example; in the High Schools I went to in both Hobart and Melbourne. There were cliques which the students socialised predominantly in, which have been maintained as we approach middle age. However, I was excluded from these cliques and was something of an outcast. That probably made me acquire some Artist traits in the last couple of decades.

Might I add my experience growing up and coming of age, was like the American Lost Generation in some respects, also my relationship with some Boomers (including my parents) was what was described about the American Lost and Missionaries by Strauss & Howe. Especially given that Aussie Boomers greatly resemble the American Missionaries, expect if they embraced New Age Spirituality, the parallels go down to Aussie Boomers having twaged numerous 'crusades' against what they see as "vices", which some were good and others were terrible. Plus the young adult Nomads were especially targeted by the crusades that the Aussie Boomers waged, that is what myself felt and many of my peers as well.

One of the Aussie 'crusades' was imposing a huge amount of social regulations imposed during in the 1990s and 2000s, which has turned Australia into a what is seen as some overseas observers a ‘nanny state’. Which, I argue definitely was an attempt to deny a Nomad generation of the freedoms, that Boomers enjoyed as young adults and to punish us Nomads. On top of that, there were punitive measures introduced in the late 1990s for people collecting unemployment benefits as well, by mutual obligation requirements and work for dole. However the Aussie Boomers could literally 'dole bludge' when they were young adults, indeed some New Zealanders moved to Australia in the 1970s to 'dole bludge' in places such as the suburb of Bondi in Sydney.

Although, in recent years people are starting to question wither some of these 'nanny state' measures were good ideas, such as the Lockout laws for pubs and nightclubs which my state (New South Wales) has. Because as the 1990s and recently 2000s cohorts have come of age, people are much more sympathetic to these cohorts than they were to mine, which was more an attitude of "they deserve it".

Nanny state laws are even worse now in the UK than they were when you were growing up and the laws keep getting more and more extreme. Explain this.