03-26-2020, 01:32 AM
(03-26-2020, 01:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:(03-25-2020, 08:24 PM)TheNomad Wrote: Trying to be brief, I read an article that referenced the stimulus packages after 2001..... and the one after 2008..... and now this one.
Did this shit really ever end? I keep trying to talk about the idea so many people never even went back to work after 2008. Their jobs didn't exist anymore. They fell off the tabs of Unemployment Benefits and simply stopped being counted. But since then, ppl have lived in their vehicles while maintaining full-time job(s) or just moved in with family and never became independent again. Or, became homeless and never got "back on their feet".
We should not forget all this when trying to examine WHEN did this "Crisis" begin anyway? It can inform us of where we are IN the Crisis, thus, when it might end.
2008 - 2028? That seems to be what Strauss is purveying. I catch him every now and then with interviews. He is currently working on "The First Turning" book. I don't know if he has a co-author.
If so, we are smack in the middle if not past the middle.
But my point being, I find it amazing some are saying "The Crisis" as if it happened last week. For some, there was no Crisis, for others, there was, for some, The Crisis they have been living for a LONG time.
Something tells me even aware individuals like HERE, we are not counting this correctly. As if the Unraveling had been happening for 3 decades or more.
Off the cuff without thinking too much, I want to say the Unraveling began around the 90s. Even The 4th Turning places it there. If so, that totally fits..... with Crisis in 2008 and now this crap.
Can we get to a High in 8 years? Of course, the authors say, every 4th Turning could spell total disaster. It's not made in stone.
I accept Strauss and Howe dating in The Fourth Turning that says the unravelling began in 1984. That was the year that Reaganomics was cemented into the national psyche after the early years of his term when there was still much doubt about it and protest against it. 1984 was "morning in America" and all generations "acquiesed in indulgence" according to S&H. Yes, it's Mr. Howe writing the books now. He's good, but he doesn't get involved in discussion forums like Mr. Strauss used to do. Interesting that he died in 2007 and just missed seeing his 4th turning prophecy come true.
To me, 2008 is not a long time ago, but for younger people it probably is. Myself, I think the 21st century didn't really begin. With luck, it's beginning now.
By 21st Century I assume you mean "New Age" metaphorically. Well, what about the Internet? That is a thing of turn of the century when everyone began using it. No one had an email address until about end of the 90s, then by 10 years later, everyone had that, a phone, a pre social media presence on the Internet, and soon after, everything we now know as modern comes from broadband and cellular connection and fiber optics. From all-in-one com devices to handy screens to digital media and the "video age".
That happened in just over a decade.
And, if you say unraveling began in 1984, and using a generic 20yr time frame, that's 2004... 2005 begins Crisis? That's about right.
Now, adjust to take 2008 into consideration, the idea Artists began being born I can't say any earlier than that taking Hero bracket into consideration. It's all fine-tuning then.
If Artist is a child during Crisis and sheltered, and grows up remembering it but not necessarily actively participating. So, Artist born in 2005?? But the time the first is 15yo, the Crisis is in full swing (2020).
Whatever it is, the authors' model is very helpful. Crisis ends by end of this decade or sooner. Still j/c that just sucks to have that much more.