Why do S&H start Civic generations so early?

[David Horn]

(06-07-2020, 09:15 AM)Ghost Wrote:

(06-07-2020, 07:10 AM)Remy Renault Wrote: If Western Continental Europe is on the same timeline as the US then they appear to be having a very subdued 4T this time around, just like circa 1870. But I'd also be willing to argue that not every society is on the same 80 year cycle. I think Western Continental Europe has 150 year cycles instead. 1789-1945 was a cycle unto itself, just like 1648-1789 was before that. Sure, in the 1870s you had the Franco-Prussian War as well as German and Italian unification, but Europeans don't view that era as a time of great upheaval with "no turning back". Europe had a protracted 4T in its 150 year cycle that lasted from 1914 to 1945. How was WWI not a 4T event for the French, Germans, and Austrians? I agree it wasn't a 4T event for the Americans. WWI changed the map of Europe more than WWII did while the latter changed the balance of power.

And it shouldn't need to be said there are other cyclical theories of history out there. S&H's isn't the only one.

I am not too sure, because S&H made generations that date back to the European Renaissance.

The odd thing is that even though S&H talk about 80-90 year cycles and 20-22 year generations, the average length of a generation (from the European Renaissance until today) is like 23 years.

This was discussed ad infinitum on the old forum by just about every poster there at the time.  The result was just more controversy.  No reason emerged that even a thin majority could support.  If anything, the structure of the Agricultural Age was sufficiently different that this occurred then but not now. What that difference might have been was 90% of the discussion.