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Acting pre-seasonally; preparing for the High
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(11-21-2020, 11:49 PM)Mickey123 Wrote:
(11-19-2020, 05:00 PM)sbarrera Wrote: As for surviving Cold Civil War II, well clearly the key is to be on the winning side. So far in American history the progressive side has won every conflict, and I think it will work out that way this time as well.

That's because you're defining progressive values as the values which won out. 

In the early 1900s, progressives were in favor of Prohibition, and opposed to blacks voting.  They were in favor of literacy tests to be able to vote.  These policies failed over time, and so are no longer defined as being progressive.

It's easy to say you're always on the winning side when you change your beliefs to match whichever side won.  Many socialists would have defined themselves as being progressive.  If the U.S. had a socialist revolution some time last century, you would say that once again, progressives won the conflict.  As this didn't happen, progressives ended up siding with capitalism, with lots of social programs.

Keeping the vote to those that could afford a good education and to whites was never progressive. As it turned out the Marxists were autocratic, against democracy, and could not be progressive no matter how progressive the theory said the ought to be.

My grandfather was abusive towards my grandmother when he was drunk. Before prohibition, males drinking their salary was a traditional response to the worst abuses of capitalism. I can see why a lot of people wanted to try the great experiment. Substance abuse is still a problem, but keeping it to a manageable level seems to have required prohibition for a time. The problem is you can’t totally ban something the public badly wants.

The arrow of progress - equality, human rights, democracy - is real enough. People who pretend that you are being progressive while going against those things are delusional.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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RE: Acting pre-seasonally; preparing for the High - by Bob Butler 54 - 11-23-2020, 01:45 PM

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