02-02-2021, 02:27 PM
(02-02-2021, 10:37 AM)Einzige Wrote:Trump had a virus show up unexpectedly and impact the entire economy that required massive spending to keep industries, companies and working people afloat while the country was dealing/adjusting to all the work related restrictions and government imposed shutdowns. Oh, he also lowered the corporate tax rate to reverse the outward trend in manufacturing and initiate new growth in manufacturing. He also lowered the individual tax rate and increased deductions and added tax credits to help the working class who had been struggling to stay above water for several years keep more of the money they earned in the own pockets/bank accounts as well. Obama inherited a stabilized economy from the previous administration that he didn't do much of anything to improve or initiate growth to replenish job losses. He also a costly war in Iraq that he wanted to get out of as soon as possible and he pretty much milked out a couple of terms without anything else major occurring here while in office. I'd say the difference in the amount of spending between them is pretty obvious.Quote: Team Red theoretically supports limited government and supports the Constitution, individual rights, the entire military (the sailors, the airmen, the infantry, special forces, marines and whoever directly commands them) and fiscal prudence as well.
Except none of this, of course, is actually true. Team Red were the ones who initiated Prohibition (in the name of moral purity), the War on Drugs (in the name of moral purity), the War on Crime (in the name of moral purity), authorized the Patriot Act (with help from Joe Biden), stoked the flames of the Moral Majority in the 80s, defended laws discriminating against LGBTQ+ people, etc. They don't actually care about muh freedoms. They care about market freedoms, and only then when they serve their own party.
Quote:. The Rhino's (JFK minded Democrats/Reagan Democrats) value big government and the use of government to serve its interests and spending massive amounts of money about as much as the Blue Team. The Rhino's are pretty much on their way out at the moment (5 Senators/10 Congress people). The rest have fallen in line with the American Right's populist movement.
Donald Trump spent more in office than Obama....
Quote:I know that you don't like either team and you'd prefer a team that represents pure Marxism and prefer to live in a world that's costs nothing where no one owns anything
People own personal property under Communism.
Quote:where no one cares about anything valuable and everyone is completely selfless and motivate by the goodness of producing then sharing
Negative. That is not Marxism. From The German Ideology.
Quote:Communism is quite incomprehensible to our saint because the communists do not oppose egoism to selflessness or selflessness to egoism, nor do they express this contradiction theoretically either in its sentimental or ‘it its high-flown ideological form; they rather demonstrate its material source, with which it disappears of itself. The communists do not preach morality at all, as Stirner does so extensively. They do not put to people the moral demand: love one another, do not be egoists, etc.; on the contrary, they are very well aware that egoism, just as much as selflessness, is in definite circumstances a necessary form of the self-assertion of individuals. Hence, the communists by no means want, as Saint Max believes, and as his loyal Dottore Graziano (Arnold Ruge) repeats after him (for which Saint Max calls him “an unusually cunning and politic mind”, Wigand, p. 192), to do away with the “private individual” for the sake of the “general”, selfless man. That is a figment of the imagination concerning which both of them could already have found the necessary explanation in the Deutsch-Französische Jahrbücher. Communist theoreticians, the only communists who have time to devote to the study of history, are distinguished precisely by the fact that they alone have discovered that throughout history the “general interest” is created by individuals who are defined as “private persons”. They know that this contradiction is only a seeming one because one side of it, what is called the “general interest”, is constantly being produced by the other side, private interest, and in relation to the latter it is by no means an independent force with an independent history — so that this contradiction is in practice constantly destroyed and reproduced. Hence it is not a question of the Hegelian “negative unity” of two sides of a contradiction, but of the materially determined destruction of the preceding materially determined mode of life of individuals, with the disappearance of which this contradiction together with its unity also disappears.
Under Communism, one produces because there is social utility in it - there are more personal benefits to production under Communism than under capitalism.
Quote:but that world doesn't exist so you'll have to choose between the two or learn to accept whichever you view as the worst of the two and the greater threat to you personally.
Why?
The people own whatever personal goods that are made available to the public under Communism. But, the people don't own anything of major value like homes or land or business's or previous metals or boats or cars or precious heirlooms or precious art and so forth. As far as your question why? I don't know why, you'll have to go back to go back to the beginning of civilization and ask them why.