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There Will Not Be A Triumphant End To This Turning
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(06-12-2021, 11:13 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(06-10-2021, 03:10 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(06-09-2021, 04:15 AM)Captain Genet Wrote: I agree that deaths of polarizing boomer politicians, like Trump, Putin, Netanyahu or Poland's Kaczynski, will mark the definite end of millennial saeculum.

No, it won't. The radical right wing has controlled the Republican Party for 40 years. The defeat of neo-liberal ideology, as well as Trump nationalism and racism, will mark the definite end of millennial saeculum. Silents and Gen Xers have supported these ideologies as much as, or more than, Boomers have.

The tyrannical leader of Poland today is named Duda. He is an Xer, not a Boomer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrzej_Duda

The Republicans are tied to Trump today. He has a huge base in the Party as its charismatic leader. But he is also their greatest problem, because  he is so personally-defective. He can threaten those who criticize him with primary defeat at the hands of his base, so Republican politicians cave in. But many more independent-minded people see how horrible his policies and behavior are, and understand that he threatens democracy and foments ethnic strife. So, should I as an opponent of Trump root for him to fade away and lose his leadership of the Party? Or should I hope it continues since he turns so many people off?

I don't know. If Trump loses his leadership of the Party, then if the Republican Party regains some of the never-trumpers and those Trump has turned off, then the neo-liberal philosophy will remain untouched and reborn and will just keep the country shackled. Many politicians who have deserted Trump, still embrace neo-liberal ideology. Ah, there's the rub!

Neo-liberalism defined here: https://youtu.be/jOuzABjrAo4

I agree up to a pint, but let's be honest.  The GOP was the business party from the very start, and was, at that time, considered the liberal party. We may be a full saeculum away from ending that link, because it's both self funded and powerful. Just look at the outrage from the Republicans over the leak of Billionaire tax return data.  It easy to see where loyalty lies when politicians take a firm stand, and protecting the interest of the rich and powerful is a core tenet of the GOP. Trump and his minions just brought that to the surface for all to see -- and, heaven help us, it's popular!

I have never quite understood how the rich class's theory could so dominate the people and the politicians for over 40 years and counting, so that no progress is possible in all that time. Surely a 4T is the time for such spells to stop. Our cold civil war pits those who support it against those who are against it. It is time to fight and win the battle. I admit, I don't know if our side is up to it. Many reasonable people think that the red vs. blue battle is just a partisan division and doesn't mean anything. If too many people sit on the sidelines and don't even vote in Nov.2022, the battle could be lost.

I know that the power of Trump cannot be underestimated. He only really lost the presidency in 2020 by about 43,000 votes, thanks to our system. So, whether it would be better for us if he went away, or kept control of his Party, is an unanswered question for me.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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RE: There Will Not Be A Triumphant End To This Turning - by Eric the Green - 06-12-2021, 12:12 PM

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