Why I think a 1981 start date for Millies/Heroes can work

[galaxy]

(11-20-2021, 05:12 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-14-2021, 10:14 PM)galaxy Wrote: One other interesting thing is that if birth-year political trends hold, then in the future we can expect roughly 1998-2004 to be the most strongly Democratic-voting birth years in recent history.

Those people mostly are born with Uranus in Aquarius (1996-2003). Pew has designated them as the start of Gen Z. But in fact the members of the previous group born under this sign in 1912-1919 were the group that produced John F Kennedy and Nelson Mandela. I agree this could be the most civically-aware of any of the younger groups. They are all Millennials; the final group of them this time around.

The exact dates touted by S&H as Millennials, 1982-2003, is correct as I see it, but a designation as 1981-2002 is only one year different. And this is natural, as cusps do exist, even though not mentioned by S&H since they wanted to lay down their pattern in a definite way. But certainly, a generation does not magically begin on January 1st of any particular year. The calendar does not have that much power.

The Mandela comparison is nice, but I'm not sure South Africa's saeculum is the same as ours. I believe there was someone on here who said they had lived in South Africa for a while and that it felt like a 2T to them, which it certainly looks like to me from afar, and which makes sense if you mark 1994 as the start of a 1T, though there doesn't seem to be any clear division between that 1T and the current 2T.

For what it's worth:
establishment of Union of South Africa in 1910 -> first majority-rule election in 1994 = 84 years
Apartheid began in 1948, 38 years after 1910 = late during 2T? Seems like exactly the place in history that such a thing would happen. Apartheid is also 43 years long (1948-1991), exactly two turnings.

This would also make Mandela, born in 1918, a Prophet. Grey Champion?

Anyway, South Africa digression aside -

Personally, I firmly believe in 2002 as the last Millennial cohort, and I don't include the whole year. The last people who could possibly be Millennials were born on November 3, 2002. The divide is between those who experienced the year of online school (2020-2021 school year) and those who didn't, and those who could vote in 2020 and those who couldn't. Those born between roughly midsummer 2002 (depends on state - for example in my own Missouri it's August) and November 3, 2002 are part of the Class of 2021 but also could vote in 2020, so they could be considered the most borderline of all borderliners.