What do you think are the major pros/cons of each current generation?

[JasonBlack]

(02-18-2022, 05:58 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: That was the fervent hope and the lofty portrait given by the authors of The Fourth Turning. I doubt most Boomers have even read the book, and I doubt this idea has much currency outside of T4T readers. But, it's a neat fantasy. It's not really even historically correct, at least not all of the time. It was the civics who spearheaded the labor movement in the 1937 period, for example, and I don't think they were merely following what Daddy said to do. But they certainly did their part in such projects as the CCC.

fwiw, I felt this long, long before reading The Fourth Turning. In all fairness though, this could easily be confirmation bias, as my temperament is extremely libertarian and I might have thought that about any authority growing up (one reason I've turned more conservative and pro-certain types of rules is because I'm self-aware enough to know that what my instincts want isn't always what actually works).

Quote:The problem is that today's Millennials don't see as much worthy of following in the Boomers. They see them as hogging the wealth and status, and as righteously fostering divisions (as you do), among other things. The herd instinct has declined too since previous 4Ts, partly due to the Boomers' influence.

They say they don't,  but in reality I think they're pretty mixed. The evidence suggests they find boomer music and ideals inspiring even if not the actual individuals themselves, and even then, many get on fine with their parents. As for the lesser herd instinct, I count that as a positive.  

Quote:It's not clear exactly what Millennials are being asked to do these days in order to follow Boomer values. The division in the country makes it seem more like an anomaly going on, since this is a civil war 4T like the 1850s-mid 1860s instead of an external-focused one like 1929-1945. So which side are Millennials being asked to follow? It's not like they are all being herded into the CCC or the army. If Millennials appear to be interested in the same causes as Boomers are, that is less due to their desire to follow Boomers than to the mere fact that the same problems affecting us have gone unattended to for 40 years of neoliberalism, and are just the same ones still left over from this 40 years of neglect, reaction and regression.

tbh, I think Millennials need to create an enemy to justify their virtue signaling. They can't really come up with their own values, so they need to pretend that boomers were really super racist this whole time so they can say "No! Those boomers didn't really believe in all that Million Man March stuff! Those are our values!"

Quote:One bright spot is that the older Millennials had the highest rates of covid vaccination of any generational group. That shows their ability to obey the "liberal" common-sense requirement to care about others and not spread disease, in contrast to the libertarian delusion that vaccines are an individual decision and should not be "policed." They understand that liberal is not equal to libertarian, and in fact is almost opposite. Kudoes to them in that respect, and in contrast to some of the Xers/13ers. The great Millennial Gen ability is to be collegial and to network and respect science and technology. They fill the void left by some Xers and some Boomers in that respect.

My view on this is simultaneously "it's probably safer to get the vaccine" and "the WHO, CDC and various world governments are being extremely intellectually dishonest, pushing measures that don't actually lessen the spread and fail to suggest even the most common sense measures to boost the immune system. I have no reason to believe they're any less interested in power at all costs as the Big Pharma corporations they're propping up".

Quote:I hope they can apply that ability to indeed to concern themselves with the world's problems, which intrude on all of us personally now, and act together to solve them, which is the only way they will be solved, as well as carry out the work that needs to be done day to day and nearer to personal experience.

No objections so far

Quote:We can't depend on trickle-down economics schemes and the invisible hand of each person just freely pursuing their own needs to solve these real concerns impinging on us all now in our fourth turning.

You only have to rely on wealth "trickling down" if you are dependent on employment (that term is a leftist caricature of right wing economics btw), but alas, market forces are necessary, but not sufficient.