We are getting old.

[Galen]

(09-26-2016, 03:06 AM)taramarie Wrote:

(09-26-2016, 02:25 AM)Galen Wrote:

(09-25-2016, 02:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: I know where it comes from.  Us boomers are used to shaping reality, not having to live with realities.

Blue boomers in particular are used to shaping reality by yelling at it and about it.  If enough people just say something, it will become true.

And let's face it:  blue boomers have personal experience during the Consciousness Revolution about the worst that can happen economically.  The worst that can happen with more taxes and more spending and more of the economy under control of the government is a Soviet style centrally controlled economy.  Given that they - by which I mean Eric but also Clinton - were siding against the U.S. military industrial complex and essentially in favor of the Soviets in the culture wars, that doesn't sound so bad to them.

Welcome to my world. I thought the Lost had it bad in old age but it looks the Boomers are in for some serious karma.  Should be fun to watch.

As for economic failure the worst seems to be North Korea, Cuba and, my personal favorite, Venezuela.  Eric the Obtuse and his ilk are too fucking stupid to figure out that the MIC is a product of statism and big government.   As for Clinton, his only concern was getting laid and so he went where the chicks were.

Which is why I have little to no hope of seeing America sort itself out under Dionysian rule. Idealism blinds. Only when both sides can talk to each other and quit becoming more and more extremist will conversation and progress begin. If the same old talking point keep being rolled round over and over there will come a boiling point and we are already seeing it. I do not see it being sorted out. I see destruction. An internal war and I hope it will not turn into another civil war. They were Dionysian also. I am unfamiliar with the aftermath of the civil war so I do not know how things were patched up after it. But it has more in common with the America of today than the great power era. To a certain degree. Two sides at war unwilling to back down. Wanting their ideal to win out over the other and destroying society along with it. Again they are in an internal war and once again, Dionysian driven. Run by feelings first. I am curious how it will end. But lets just say I will not be surprised at all that it will not be settled till the next prophets come along who will be Appolonian like my mother and their children born after their consciousness revolution; the next Apollonian civics (closer to GI's in mindset) will be raised to believe life should be a certain way culturally and enforce it in the corporate world and law. The current generations are too divided and polarized and blinded by bias and prejudice to be of any use to fix issues. I am glad we do not have this issue here. Heck our media does not even lean left or right wing. They just merely tell the news. Then again politics here focuses on politics. Not heavily focused on a cultural battle. I wonder if it was ever like that in America.

The War Between the States was more about tariffs and New England securing a captive customer base and source of resources.  At the time the southern states were paying 85% of the Federal Governments expenses.  The idealists tend to get used under such scenarios and never seem to figure it out.  I suggest you read The Real Lincoln and Lincoln Unmasked by Thomas DiLorenzo to understand what was going on.  The abolitionist cause was used by some very self-centered people to enrich themselves and Lincoln was one of them.