11-16-2022, 11:10 PM
(10-07-2022, 04:10 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:I'm in the group of Americans that don't care about about abortion one way or the other. I wonder if the woman's right to an abortion is more important the woman's right to eat, work and provide for their children or even live for that matter. I don't know, time may tell. Bob, aren't you the one who preached about values lock and tribalism. We aren't in crisis ye and that's the only reason why you're still in the game at this point. You may feel as if you're ( the Liberals) in crisis but the rest of country ain't there yet and may even be wise enough to opt out and more less hang Biden, the Democrats and whatever is left of the GOP establishment out to dry before getting there. I mean, it's not like the American people don't have the right to do so at anytime during the Crisis. Bob, to be honest, I don't really care what happens to Democratic supporters these days.(10-07-2022, 11:47 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I laugh about you guys and the Left's obsession with Trump all the time.
For me the conflict is more about ideas than a person, but Trump’s and the conservative policy exemplify the wrong ideas. At the highest level, the wrong sort of people seek to control others. The opposite is obviously independence from that control, as exemplified be equality and freedom.
The issues? Abortion, in not having the religious enforce their belief on those with different values. Racism. Criminality. Containment. Elites. None of these issues are particularly new, invented by Trump, or apt to disappear with Trump. But he sure makes a nice symbol of what has been perpetually wrong with America, has been wrong since the founder’s time. He has sure tried to take various aspects of the conservative movement down the wrong path. I consider taking down Trump as less important than taking down the wrong parts of America.
The good part I suppose is giving the crisis a focus. By being the obvious ideal of what is wrong, it makes true Americans ready to move to what is correct.