Who are you voting for in 2016?

[Kinser79]

(05-08-2016, 04:24 PM)MillsT_98 Wrote: I have some things to say about Trump:

That may be just what we need right now, but I have no idea how Trump's gonna do all of that. I still remember him saying he was going to "bomb the shit out of ISIS" if I remember correctly.

Assuming that Isis remains a problem bombing the shit out of their oil production facilities should be a top priority. Hit them where they eat. I actually think getting together with the Russians on this may be a good idea.  Putin gets his Assad regime client state, ISIS gets crushed problem solved.  That of course requires a POTUS and S.o.State that isn't antagonistic to Russia's other concerns.

Quote:He also seems too pro-big business to actually want to build up the commercial infrastructure and address economic inequality.

There isn't much that the President can do about economic inequality.  It doesn't matter if that president is HRC, Donald Trump, or even FDR.  As for building up the commercial infrastructure, you do realize that big business uses said commercial infrastructure, right?  Working on that provides no conflict of interest for the Big-Biz set.  And hell it would even put some people to work immediately and it has to be done anyway.

Quote:I hope he isn't just running for the presidency in his self-interest (make himself richer).

How would being President make him richer?  Congress is in control of the purse strings, and I'm pretty sure that since he has billions of dollars at hand he could use 400K that is the President's salary to wipe his ass with.  I'm not seeing a way that running for president doesn't actually cost him money.

Quote:The fact that he is a billionaire businessman with no real political experience gives off the vibe that he's just there to support his business peers and take money for himself and these other corrupt businesses.

That would be conceivable if and only if he got them all together to form a conspiracy with thousands of people to make sure that they all publicly spew hatred at him and his campaign.  Conspiracies do happen, I'll grant that, but one of such proportions would fall apart the second someone got drunk at a cocktail party in the presence of a waiter.

Quote:If he's actually running for reasons outside this and actually has an isolationist, pro-American view that supports bringing domestic jobs back here and supports economic equality (and also provides education and healthcare reform), I may support him. But unfortunately, I don't.

Daddy has been talking about Isolationism since the 1980s, he's been against NAFTA, CAFTA, the TPP and all other so-called trade deals since at least the 1990s.  The man used to pall around with Ross Perot, if you remember what he said about NAFTA--well it happened.

As for bringing back economic equality that can happen by controlling the supply of labor (IE expelling the illegals and enforcing our border laws) and fixing the trade deals that destroyed US manufacturing.

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(05-07-2016, 03:43 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: As I've said above, I see a new political divide emerging on the basis of libertarianism-authoritarianism rather then left-right.  Such is probable nature of mature capitalist democracy.

That may very well happen. I just don't know which party would take which side.

Actually we do already.  The PC Speech Police, the perpetually offended, and the Regressive Left are all on the side of the Democrats.  From the noise made by the right authoritarians they will start fleeing to the Democratic Party.  This will leave the GOP cleansed with only the social libertarians around.  To completely alter the party will take between 4-6 years, two terms of President Trump would be 8, so 2024 could be the start of the 1T, but most likely the last gasps of the 4T.

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(05-07-2016, 03:43 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Unfortunately Hillary is neither perfect, nor good.

She may not be perfect but I still believe she's the better of the two candidates. I'm still wary of Trump.

If we were talking Jeb, sure.  If we were talking Cruz, definitely.  If we're talking Daddy--not with you there.  Shillary is a corrupt washed up old hag with few political skills and less personality.  Daddy is a political novice true, but he also has personality and something we've not seen in a long damn time--someone running for president who has nothing to gain from it and wasn't involved in making this mess to start with.