06-01-2018, 11:43 PM
(06-01-2018, 08:42 PM)TheNomad Wrote:(06-01-2018, 08:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:(05-31-2018, 10:57 PM)TheNomad Wrote:(05-31-2018, 07:41 PM)Tim Randal Walker Wrote: Perhaps we are experiencing an unusually mild 4T?
I've been saying this a lot. The events of the Crisis IMO have happened. We had wars, we had the economic theft, we had massive upheaval with families and individuals losing everything and moving in with grandparents, etc. Some can't accept that it was "enough" to be the actual crisis. I say it was just about enough and if they want more, let them have it but leave me out
Oh and earlier I told a very personal story of ONE family who essentially mirrors Grapes of Wrath scenario of the Great Depression with an extended family in a loaded vehicle traveling to parts unknown just hoping to survive. Whether that actually happened to anyone posting here, I do not know. But it really happened to a lot of people. I've not called it GDII because I didn't want to be severe. But the early 21st century was truly a time of destitution, humiliation and national upheaval. I think we do not know the magnitude because media does not cover it. We know there is currently a homeless epidemic. But we never hear from the news WHY these people are homeless. Most of them lost everything in the crash and fell down hard. But no one talks about that. And there are homeless camps just as their were in GDI. Except they are not concentrated on the Washington Mall but scattered throughout every major city in America.
If someone brought them all together, the Mall would be quite full.
I don't see how more crisis can be avoided, whether we want it or not, because the forces that made the war on terror possible, and the great recession possible, are still in power. It is a question of who is in power, and the system they have put in place to maintain themselves in power. As long as that is not toppled somehow, the crisis will never end. Powers are toppled in 4Ts, not 1Ts.
I'm perplexed by the fact that no one seems to acknowledge 911 as any part of the crisis whatsoever. Why is that? I'm starting to think some in this forum simply maybe didn't experience the aftermath of it or simply do not understand the implications of all that happened because of that. Everyone seems to agree that 2008 and the financial ruins is the crisis and yet we're waiting for War the second part of a crisis. Or that the order of the events of the crisis are wrong in that there must be a financial woe and only after that some big war. However we had those two things within six or seven years of each other we had Wars going on the same time as we had the financial crisis.
What's going on with that? Every time I ask that question no one seems to answer.
I'll say again it is almost as if the wars and complications of the aftermath of the wars were not large enough for significant enough to be considered a crisis element. And for anyone who believes that I want to hear what you have to say. I want to hear people say that the 911 wars and cultural impact in the Homeland were not significant enough to be considered part of the crisis.
I for one already answered it. There was no crisis mood, and no dedication of the people to a total war. Just some bombing of a distant land, and relying on a native alliance to topple a terrorist government. And then that was followed by a phony war that never should have happened. Since business went on as usual, and only volunteer soldiers went to the other side of the world to fight a war that only the president and his fellow conspirators wanted, there was no cultural impact on the Homeland. You say there was, because of plane boarding inspections and so on, but airplane travel went on anyway and a lot of us don't fly in airplanes.
I predicted the wars for the time they happened, being the prophet that I am. I knew what was coming, and I knew it would not be a crisis catalyst. Remember my point that a war does not equal a crisis. Wars have happened in almost all turnings. You haven't acknowledged that fact, and as well the fact that war was just business as usual since world war II for the USA and the MIC. There was definitely nothing new about yet another unnecessary war given us by the MIC. We had just had decades of it. So what was so special about just another one? Remember Vietnam?
I don't know how big the crisis war will be. As I mentioned, in most 4Ts, it has been big. But there was one exception, so perhaps, we can hope, our time (which has a similar place on the larger cycle of civilization as that other one) might be smaller too. But on the other hand, from the cyclic indicators I see, it is likely to be both a war with other nation(s) and a war at home.
You are well up on the problems of our time; you seem very aware of what the powers that be are doing to us. You are concerned, and your facts and values are right, from my point of view. If what is happening now just continues, then there will be no first turning, and no USA for much longer. The powers that be will just keep on screwing us, and that will be that.
Something must intervene. You can call that a 1T if you want, but I think most S&H fans would call that a 4T, just like the American and French Revolutions were a 4T and the civil war rebellion was a 4T. The intention of many of those who want change today is non-violence. But it may turn out that the right-wing fanatics resort to violence though; we can't rule that out. We can both hope that the next 10 years, which I call the second half of our 4T, and you call a 1T, will see some great and drastic changes, with a minimum of bloodshed.
Of course, if the gun violence and mass shootings don't stop, then that will be the violence anyway. Without gun reform, that will happen, and it will get worse. And if the reformers succeed in stopping that violence through better laws, and the reactionaries react violently to this gun control, accusing the government of coming for their guns, then that will be the violence. It could be that we are due for more, no matter what.
The human condition is still primitive, I'm afraid. My own experience with people and with our country doesn't give me much hope it can be avoided; whether a revolution happens, or whether we just enter a 1T and give up and go silent and quiescent like the Silent Generation (Gen Z being their recurrence), and just let the reactionary and big-business authorities have their way. Violence will happen either way. That does not mean that I "want" it. And the same thing for the mal-distribution of wealth in this country, and the great climate and pollution crisis; as well as the penchant for the MIC to get us into still more wars we don't want like those after 9-11. If we don't want all this, then we need to see some action, not a 1T surrender to conformity and acceptance of whatever the authorities want.