11-13-2016, 01:10 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-13-2016, 01:14 AM by Eric the Green.)
(11-12-2016, 09:49 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(11-12-2016, 06:26 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(11-12-2016, 04:51 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: It's not hard to see the economically depressed areas created by liberal policies. Now, if you need an education on what was then and what isn't today. I'll take you to the small town that my parents grew up in that I've always considered to be my second home. I'll show you where the smaller manufacturing plants were located that disappeared during the 90's. I'll take you to the trailer parks where the primary source of income is crime. How do you fix problems with clueless liberals standing in the way of progress?
Amazing statement. The virtue of being educated, includes not having ideas like this that are so opposed to reality. When you said economically depressed areas created by liberal policies, I thought you meant the big inner urban cities. But then you took us to a small town. Liberal policies are the only way to fix these problems. Conservative policies cause these problems, the ones you voted for in the 80s and 90s, and that caused the manufacturing plants to disappear. Free trade and free commerce with no responsibility imposed on the big business owners who run the economy. We've had clueless conservatives standing in the way of progress since 1980. Over and over again. Liberals haven't been able to do anything, much less stand in the way of anything. Tuesday, you just voted for more of the same. I don't understand how you can think that more of the same policies from the 80s and 90s will bring these small town industries back. But then, what's to understand? With Trump, it's all emotion.
I didn't vote in the 80's. I voted for Perot during the 90's. I've been voting Republican since 2000.
Why would you read my statement as referring to one person's voting decisions? This is about the results of the policies which you now favor. That is obvious.
Quote:I'd like to know how you'd impose responsibility on big business's who are free to roam in a nation of states and a world with countries who are actively competing for business. The manufacturing jobs went to China during the Clinton years. Three hundred people lost their jobs following the stroke of Bill Clinton's pen.
Free trade goes back to Reagan. NAFTA was George Bush I's bill. The companies went to the 3rd world for cheap labor when free trade happened. Not so many would have gone had there been tariffs, so that the companies who sold their goods back to big consumerist America would not have made out so well with this strategy. Even Trump knows this quite well.
Quote:All you can do is mandate and hope we stick around and are able to stay in business. Backwards to me is going back to 1950's level of taxation and imposing early 20th century European way of thinking. As far as I'm concerned, you're nuts. Who wants to be a liberal serf completely reliant upon the generosity of their liberal lords. I prefer to stay in the 21st century where most of America is at and doing fine.
Everyone is doing worse, not fine. Only the billionaires are doing better in the post-Reagan world.
Quote: Personally, I'm tired of dragging you guys into the 21st century. With you, it's all emotion and ain't much thinking going on. You don't have to think pitching freebies to those looking for freebies and courting blue bigots like yourself. In this election, you voted for a continuation of more jobs flowing outward. I voted for more jobs staying put and flowing inwards. You may not have cared but I did and voted to change the outward trend. Don't worry, we'll keep enough poverty for progressives to live off. However, it won't be enough to stop the economic progress the majority of us have experienced.
Changing trade policy, assuming Trump can do it, is only a small piece of making America great again. It's not enough. The problem is the ideology that talks about "pitching freebies to those looking for freebies." That's the entire problem in a nutshell. It is this free-market semi-racist dog whistle that has stalled our economy and shifted all economic gains to the top 1%. There has been no economic progress for the majority. You think you are the majority, but you're not. Many people who voted for Trump didn't think they had experienced progress; that's why they voted for him. They were just duped. They might have voted for Bernie Sanders.
Perot, whom you voted for, said "trickle down didn't trickle." He was right and he's still right. It never does. But that's all the Republicans ever offer, except for The Donald on trade policy.