(02-21-2021, 08:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm a loyal American who supported Trump who will support Trump again if decides to run again in 2024. You're a loyal Democrat who will be stuck voting for Harris and stuck with a party on the brink of imploding by then. We got a rough and challenging road ahead of us with an old dude who forgets where he's at, who loses his train of thought and sounds like an imbecile who can't answer hard questions or hop on a plane at anytime. I told you that this wasn't the time to elect a weak leader like you did any way. So, I hope you'll be ready to accept the consequences of doing that in or within the next four years depending on how bad things get before then. You f---ed up and you and every other (offensive cat-call) are going to pay the price for doing it at the wrong time in history. You talk a lot but you don't pay attention to what you say or what you say you believe or the obvious signs associated with the kinds of government that you fear the most and claim that you would never support.
I do not deny that you are loyal to America in the sense that you would never serve in an occupying army or in a puppet government by an occupier, and that you would never divulge state secrets to a foreign power or make propaganda broadcasts -- even if you ever got the opportunity.
The problem is that you are grossly disloyal to a large part of the American people, which includes Democrats, which includes non-Christians, and perhaps people not unambiguously white. Loyalty to America is no more identical with loyalty to the personality of Donald Trump than it meant loyalty to the personality of Barack Obama. I saw few personal flaws in Barack Obama, but I see little more than vice in Donald Trump. Sure, Barack Obama hasn't faced the temptations of capitalist enterprise that might have compelled him to make some ethical compromises on behalf of fellow investors and the quality of life of his family... but he has proved himself an above-average president for making few mistakes, none of them that couldn't be undone. He solved far more problems than he created. Business is not good preparation for politics, even if the business is honorable. If the business record is sleazy or spotty, then one is likely to bring the sleazy or spotty behavior into public office.
Truth be told, the closest analogue to Obama in competence and temperament is Dwight Eisenhower. Just recall the map overlays between Obama and Eisenhower. In 2012 Obama did not win any state that Eisenhower did not win twice except Hawaii (which wasn't voting in the 1950's) or the non-state DC (likewise). What Ike won twice that Obama did not ever win was the Great Plains states, Tennessee (go figure), and most of the Intermountain West. Political culture can change over sixty years, but not that much. All that kept Obama from being a fine conservative President was that he wasn't a full conservative.
Admit this: Donald Trump was a failed President, reflecting in part that he is a horrible person, in part that he had no idea of how to govern, and in part that he held fast to discreditable ideas outside the mainstream.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.