(01-02-2022, 02:05 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(12-31-2021, 07:54 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:(12-31-2021, 01:54 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(12-26-2021, 07:29 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:Your side has little to no creativity or talent which is why your side is so heavily reliant upon our side. The Leftists and Democrats aren't anymore American than the French, Russians or Chinese at this point. So lets see, your side is closing down schools as we speak mainly due to liberal related superstitions.(12-25-2021, 12:13 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: At some point, you guys are going to have to pull your heads out of your asses and start thinking more like Americans instead of self serving Leftists and Democrats. If not, America is going to cut ties and withdraw it's support and leave you guys behind to rot/die.
Dude, we Leftists and Democrats are Americans. Remember well that many Americans do not look like you, do not hold the same religious beliefs, and have cultural traditions that you would find alien. Obviously I would not fit in well in any Koreatown, but it has traditions just as valid as yours or mine.
What matters is the respect that people have for work, sobriety, enterprise, community, innovation, integrity, imagination, and formal learning. None of those is itself adequate for a good life. This has been so since America mitigated its racism.
I look at the credits for Pixar animated films and I see lots of Korean names.
Your side, should it cut its ties to my side, will miss much. My side has the creativity and talent. My side prefers education to superstition.
Dude, your side is generally so witless and unimaginative that it must largely do the raw and servile labor under close direction. My side has the movie, publishing, and music industries -- not to say that many in them aren't doing a good job with what they have. I confess that my musical tastes (classical) are un-American; I have more musical works by German, Austrian, Russian, French, Italian, Spanish, Czech, Hungarian, Polish, and British composers than by American composers in my collection. Then again, maybe you should be getting a good listen to some classical music.
But even in popular music, "my side" has jazz, soul, blues, and folk. My side can recognize the validity of the folk music of other nations. I am much more cosmopolitan than you. My side knows better how to use creativity, and much of the wealth being created in America is intellectual property. I do not believe that something has virtue because it is American. Does the KKK have virtue for being American? Do you want to tangle with an American tornado? I have more in common with a Russian liberal than I have with an American fascist.
At some point culture matters more than do the tools of mindless hedonism. If I had to choose between a Honda Accord and a well-stocked collection of books and music costing as much as a pricey sports car and the sports car I would take the former. After all, at my age I wouldn't know what to do with a sports car except to drive it so slow that I would miss out on the alleged thrill. Besides, I lost my fascination with vehicular speed before I ever got a chance to drive a car. I'm one of those people who started acting middle-aged when I was a teenager. That says something.
My mother listened to your music. She was American to the core. Musical taste or preference has nothing to do with whether one is American or not. Whether you are aware or not, there is a natural process that is taking place right now. Americans are leaving Democratic controlled areas by the thousands which is good for America in my opinion. I have no love for the Progressives and they have no love for me or Americans in general.
Americans are leaving high-cost D areas for "swing" areas that are not so costly: California to Colorado, Arizona, and Texas; New England, New Jersey, and New York for North Carolina and Virginia, and taking their political values with them. They are also leaving places that have been ravaged in the economic demise of the Rust Belt, like Missouri and Ohio. Those states become more R because the rural areas aren't losing relatively to the cities that people flee for good reasons.
There is no long-term R trend. That was heavily associated with the Moral Majority, Gingrich's Contract for America, and the Tea Party which are much the same people. Those people, rather young in the 1970's, are now old. You should well know what happens to old people and anything connected to their culture that has no youth appeal. Have you seen any records by Perry Como, Guy Lombardo, or Andy Williams lately? I have -- in Goodwill! They do not sell. Contrast the Beatles, the Beach Boys, or even Big Band-era music: that is more "evergreen" in appeal.
Maybe you believe that the Millennial Generation will come to its senses and recognize that the sole measure of economic virtue is that the economic elites get whatever they want so that they can invest it in job-creating plant and equipment in America. Well... they don't. They keep looking for new places for sweatshop production. They invest heavily in pricey real estate for their own indulgence, and they invest heavily in right-wing media and politics so that they can fool gullible people like you to vote for people who hold your desires and interests in contempt. They are delighted to praise your patriotism by standing for American economic elites against liberals and 'uppity' minorities.
Classic X'er, you are a schmuck in your politics. You vote for people who will damn you to great hardships so that they can enjoy more power, indulgence, and gain. You are in the HVAC business in a place on the brink of needing more air conditioning. Air conditioning makes life tolerable in places with hot, humid summers like Des Moines and Chicago. It's more marginal in the Twin Cities. The more prosperous people are the more likely they are to need an air conditioner and service for it. Global warming is a reality where I live: winters are not as cold as I remember them as a child (when I trudged along through heavy snowbanks in -20F temperatures, uphill both ways and with polar bears breathing down our necks). Summers are hotter and stickier than I remember, and they are starting in May and lasting into October instead of starting in June and lasting only into September. Fall foliage used to be past peak where I live in late October, and I have gotten some great photos of fall foliage in early November.
Quote: You should know that by now. You're on their side, you're working for them and you should know what that means too. I've spent the last two decades reminding Progressives about the American country and showing them what Americans have the freedom to do and the power to do as well. 4 vs 1 only matters here that's all. Right now in real life, its about 6 vs 4 which means you're done. If it takes a fight to prove its done then so be it. To be honest, I don't know a Democrat who is a Democrat these days. YOU ARE GOING to learn that elections have consequences. Every (profanity excised) one of you is going to learn it by the time. Welcome to the Real World boy. I wish you luck and Godspeed.
Your "real America" is as much a part of America as many other communities of people who do not look like you, pray like you, have culinary tastes like yours, and have surnames unlike yours. If you were to take a trip to southern Louisiana you would still be in America, but how different an America it would be! Have you ever listened to New Orleans jazz and tasted Cajun cuisine? Then you are missing something. (New Orleans is a place to visit -- once. As for Shreveport, I used to live in Dallas and Shreveport is there considered a mistake as a destination. Have you ever been to Utah? The Mormons do many things well. I could make the case that if you like low taxes and quality services, Utah is a bargain for government. The Mormons do not smoke or drink, so Utah residents pay less in public support of mitigating the medical effects of smoking and drinking. Utah has some wonderful national parks, and I want to see those some day... of course, sober and with "Mormon lungs". (I do not smoke). You live in Minnesota, which has some Reservations. Ever been there? The Canadian term for such people is First Peoples... they were here before our ancestors got here.
If you think that fights will prove anything... I have run away from plenty of fights. Coward? Nope. As I have found out, the Armed Services tell soldiers of all ranks to run from fights because those prove nothing.
I can't tell you what part of America is the "real America". There are just too many candidates.
Yes, I know.. elections have consequences. But your side chose to nullify a fair, free, and competitive Presidential election because you disliked the results. That has happened many times and many places, and when that succeeds the People typically end up with a dictatorship. If you don't trust elections when they don't go your way, then may I suggest that you go to Cuba, where the electoral results are predictable. Very predictable.
Oh, by the way... do not call me a "boy". I'm 66 years old.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.