01-07-2022, 11:05 PM
(01-07-2022, 12:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(01-07-2022, 03:34 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Classic X'er, have you listened to the introduction of Kamala Harris and the measured speech of President Biden? He ripped your idol as thoroughly as is possible for the violation of norms essential over 200-some years for American democracy. Elections beyond certifiable doubt are to be accepted, as we Democrats did in 2000 and 2016. We have always had a peaceful transition from one President to the next.
We can accept the results that we dislike not out of hopelessness but instead out of respect for the elections that define who the President is. Our elections are, for most of us, the sole expression that many of us have of democracy. Should the elections become irrelevant because their results are negated or because the elections are denied, then our elections become void and so does democracy.
One year after the Putsch and almost a year into the Biden Presidency, we still hear from some that Donald Trump is still rightly President despite the lack of evidence of any significant miscounting of the vote. We have never had that problem before.
In a despotic kingdom or an outright dictatorship, all might be about the Leader. Such was so with Nero, Ivan the Terrible, Henry VIII, Wilhelm II, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Castro, Mengistu, Idi Amin, Pinochet, Khomeini, or Saddam Hussein. It has never gone well. It would not go well here just because this is America. It would not be the America that you know. Even if the ideology and your beloved White Power are achieved, then you might be at risk if you grumble or slack off.
Donald Trump has done what all dictators have done: he has lied about everything that does not fit his idea of how the world must work. Reality may be inconvenient, but what else do we have?
I listened to them but it was pretty clear that neither of them were speaking to me.
Would it be right if we Democrats staged such a takeover of the Capitol? It was wrong no matter who did it. We are obliged to accept electoral results even if we are not completely sure that they aren't tainted due to dirty tricks that we cannot prove when we dislike those results. For four years I recognized Donald Trump as President by law even if I followed such with some sort of cursing. Well, if you wanted a different President, you might have spent some time in some other country. Angela Merkel (technically Chancellor of Germany) is on the Right side of the political spectrum in her country, but she has her virtues. She despised Trump.
Consider what would have happened had Trump been able to get the 2020 election nullified. We'd have a very weak President setting up a Seven Days in May scenario. It wouldn't take much for the Armed Services and intelligence agencies to turn against him. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff made clear that there would be no legitimate second term for Donald Trump.
Quote:You can listen to them along with the other 35% still listening to them and continue going down the toilet along with them. You elected them so you're stuck with them. Me, I'm moving on like the majority of Americans and determining options along with everyone else who isn't in your position.
You fail to recognize the power of words used well.
Quote:Hint: Trump doesn't have to wait til 2024 to run as our President. He could start running right now and represent 2/3 of the country. I don't know where that would leave Biden/Harris or the ilk in Washington DC. Dude, we are inching our way towards civil war. Do you have any idea or a clue what you're going to be dying/sacrificing for these days? Is the right to steel from others worth dying/sacrificing for? Do you see where you at (which side you are on) PB? How many of your German relatives did my American aunts and uncles kill PB? Now you've got Asperger's like one of my nephews, I'd sure hate to kill or inflict major suffering on someone who ain't playing with a full deck PB.
America does not divide neatly into some "real America" and something unreal (except for fiction and fantasy, things that many of us need for keeping our sanity).
We German-Americans are a big part of America, and most of us are on the Right side of the political spectrum. Most of us voted for Trump. The people with German-sounding names who loudly excoriated Trump are largely Jewish, and their connections to Germany are shaky at best.
Considering what the German people did during World War II, it would have been better had they mass-converted to Judaism. They would have lost Christmas, pork, and shellfish if they had gone Orthodox. There was nothing wrong with the Germans between 1930 and 1945 that Judaism would not have solved. I love Bach and hate Hitler, which is now the norm in Germany. My stomach churns when I see video of Nazis (documentary or feature films) celebrating Christmas because they were killing the people who were the source of Jesus. Under Nazi 'racial' laws, Jesus was fully qualified for being compelled to breathe fumes of Zyklon-B (lethal hydrogen cyanide).
As far as that goes, I'd rather exchange the German part of my origin for something else because I want no connection to Nazi butchers. I have told neo-Nazis that if I had to choose between being a Jew and a Nazi I would be Jewish because such would compromise neither my moral not cultural values. Of course one does not choose one's ancestors.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.