11-17-2022, 02:30 AM
(11-16-2022, 10:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(11-15-2022, 08:59 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: [quote pid='82784' dateline='1665161238']
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If you can't laugh about someone like Donald Trump, then you will cry or go mad. Can't you laugh about Trump?
... The generational cycle may not give a perfect match. Mel Brooks would have been perfect for skewering Trump much as he skewered you-know-who, except that he is now too old to do comedy. Of course we are approaching the time in which the successors of the Silent will appear on the entertainment scene, and I expect them to do comedy well.
I laugh about you guys and the Left's obsession with Trump all the time. So, do you know that you spend the bulk of your time doing propaganda ? You're issue ain't Trump. You're issue is the worthless piece of shit that you and others elected to replace him. It's to bad the majority of the country is now paying a significant price for YOUR carelessness and utter stupidity. Like I've said, you can all starve to death, freeze to death, be beaten to death or murdered by ghetto slugs or rounded up, exterminated, grounded up and turned into fertilizer for all that I care at this point. So, I suggest that you enjoy this moment because the road ahead is going to be very rough for all you guys. Now, I'm not on your side as you know. I'm on the American side like I've always been. As I've told you, this is going to boil down to the Americans vs the Democrats and a Democratic population that's mainly aloof, worried about other issues than what matters to most and finding itself in a position of being decimated.
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I live in Michigan, and we Michigan liberals had much to dread going into the 2022 election. Michigan went from having 14 to 13 Congressional Representatives. and the GOP was the Party to lose a seat. Democrats swept statewide offices against some extremists and loonies (sometimes both). By referendum we have one of the most liberal stands on abortion and contraception. We liberals get a little delight laughing at some of the nutcases that they defeated at the polls. let alone those terrorists convicted for plotting to kidnap our Governor. Of course we need stop laughing as we have work to do to make Michigan better.
Classic X'er, what constitutes America is changing under your nose. You are on the side of cruelty, which has much the same consequences whether Commies, fascists, or people simply full of ethnic hatreds exercise it. E pluribus unum has grown from thirteen recently-freed colonies trying to piece together a national entity to fifty in the most powerful empire that the world has known. Unlike the other empires this one is an Empire of Liberty. But not only has E pluribus unum gone from referring to a political entity with thirteen stars on its flag to one with fifty, it also refers to a multi-ethnic society in which most of us recognize the validity of very different religious and ethnic origins having traditions appropriate for themselves. Most of us recognize those traditions as far more enriching than divisive. If we keep things this way we keep our freedom and likely make any attack upon the USA a catastrophic blunder. If we abandon our respect for difference in America, then the USA will implode much as did the Austro-Hungarian Empire and the Soviet Union did. The United States is not a nation-state. As it is we have in our cultural heritage such comic geniuses as Charlie Chaplin and Mel Brooks ridiculing the vilest people to have ever lived and getting away with it.
As a liberal I have had to consider what such a concept as "law and order" means. Genuine law and order is the most important of all civil rights because without it no life or property is safe. Freedom of speech means nothing if a lynch mob can punish the expression of ideas that that lynch mob thinks worthy of a hanging or tarring-and-feathering. Freedom of religion means nothing if one can detonate a bomb or mow people down at a place of worship with impunity. I am firmly for LGBT rights because such make life safer for someone like me who has been attacked for
Donald Trump is becoming an object of ridicule in America as the political climate changes. Remember that we are much closer to the end of this 4T today than we were a week ago -- just as people were starting to cast ballots on the last day of the 2022 election. Donald Trump failed to do what other defeated one-term Presidents have typically done, which is to separate oneself from partisan politics. Loudmouth boor as Trump is, he chose to act as if he were rightfully still President. His stench still permeates our political reality. It is just as well. Trump remains all too real.
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Your right, you shouldn't laugh, you have bigger problems and way more promises to keep or come through on than those you've depicted as extremists that you defeated. Like I said College Boy, some day you're going have to explain how the Democrats are going to keep up with all Liberal wants and needs when they're no longer able to function and live off the taxes of the entire country. I want to see the look on Chucky's, Kamala's and Barrack's face when all they have is each other to leach off and only about a 1/3 of the US economy. Like I said, the Democratic population better start showing on the other side of the political divide that they care about the country before they find themselves being the idiots stuck smack dab in the middle of a civil war. Like I said, I'm one step closer to having the right to kill your dumb ass thanks to your incompetent leadership and the millions who seem to value the Democratic Party and that's about it these days. Don't tell me that you're not in that group because you've already proven it to me time after time. I going to ask you a question, did Trump hang the American troops serving in Afghanistan out to dry and kill 13 of them in the process? Nope, it was the old worthless piece of shit that you elected. Get ready PB, it's not going to be fun for any of you from now til 2024. We're going to be hounding you and leaning on you in ways that you've never been hounded or leaned on before. I'll be coming at you like the good old days in ways you've never seen before dude. Btw, his stench does permeate more than the stench of the decaying Democratic Dinosaur that you elected in 2024 or the stench of the Democratic shit holes that are getting worse or the shortages and rising costs of livings that persist.
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This is far better than your apparent dream of an economy that makes prosperity only for the Rich and Powerful aside from what those elites deem necessary to keep the proles alive to continue working perhaps 60 hours a week until they are worn out by age 40 so that their kiddies can work in the Dark Satanic Mills. Maybe small farmers survive only to be taxed savagely so that they must work over 80 hours a week to maintain the faced of independence (the food is being requisitioned for next-to-nothing for sale by the corrupt elites or to feed a war machine intent on imposing a perverse version of an American Way of sort-of-Life on people who have every cause to resist it.
I am convinced that any economic collapse will have its origin in the failure of bureaucratized, inflexible, corrupt organizations recently described as Too Big to Fail that might not face a government to bail out entities too corrupt to compete or too inflexible to adapt. When that happens we are going to find that many shareholders find their assets worthless and executives who can never explain what they are achieving other than to bar competition with them for roles at the top find themselves fired -- while at the same time the investment firms that hold their retirement accounts in what were recently "good stocks" are unable to make the pension payments.
Who is going to survive? People who do honest work, people who can see what they are doing as toilers and small-scale entrepreneurs. As the (right-wing) science-fiction writer Robert Heinlein put it, society divides into "makers, takers, and fakers". Of course plenty of corporate bureaucrats who drain the life out of corporate behemoths through bloated bureaucracies are both takers and fakers. In the 1930's America had a government that had to connect its tax-collection with doing obvious good for people, and plenty of small businesses came into being. After all, high-quality labor was available cheaply; real estate was cheap, as were supplies and machinery; merchandise was available at fire-sale prices without the smoky aroma. If you started a retail business your employees would try to get their extended families to shop or eat there to help keep those employees at work. We'd see plenty of cottage industries appearing in the wreckage of beached-whale businesses.
Those who do not do heavy work or own their own shops
As for Afghanistan, the nominally-independent government of Afghanistan was riddled with military officers who had to choose between resisting the Taliban and being hanged for military resistance along with their families or to submit to Taliban subjection. Trump cut the deal.
Donald Trump is still a horrible person, and had he let the normal course of events take place in a midterm election, then maybe most of us liberals would be looking for ways in which to get out while the leaving is good. Two questions to ask of any politician:
1. Do his stated values and personal life fit your idea of goodness? If both are OK, then you have other questions. Donald Trump left plenty of signs that he would be a dreadful President such as mocking the handicapped, showing support for dictatorial regimes hostile to American and other democracy, and disrespecting military service. His family life? Fine -- if you want a Borgia-style or even Gotti-style family. (I'm not knocking Italian-Americans, most of whom want nothing to do with Mafia types). It is hard for me to imagine anyone calling himself a defender of "Christian" family values supporting that rogue.
2. Does he have a political record supporting high public office? Except for knowing whom to bribe, Trump knew nothing about governing. Business does not count. Businesses fire people all the time; the President cannot fire a letter carrier or demand a dishonorable discharge for a soldier who shows 'inadequate' enthusiasm for him, let alone a federal judge or any elected official. Government must work with what is already there because of the political process or civil-service rules.
3. Is he an extremist? Then if so -- it is a clear no.
After that you are on your own. Trump failed on all three.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.