11-25-2022, 03:33 PM
(11-22-2022, 04:10 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(11-21-2022, 01:31 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:I'm not advocating for violence. I'm telling you that violence is coming as long as the Democrats continue what they've be doing all along and continue on the path they're hell bent on taking the country down with or without it's consent. Continue ignore the obvious if you want, like you've been doing for years. But make no mistake, it's coming and it's coming sooner than later at this point. Eric says ten years but it will be starting within 10 years.(11-20-2022, 06:29 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(11-20-2022, 01:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(11-20-2022, 12:57 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: I'm not all that left-wing. I firmly believe in law and order without which civil liberties are mere cant. I believe that precedent and protocol are the best guides for making judicial decisions. I trust small-scale enterprise more than I trust either a monopolist, a cartel, or the State as an owner and operator of productive enterprises. I believe that old standards of morality are guides until something other than selfish desire compels one to believe otherwise. I recognize that any significant achievement requires above-average sacrifice as investment or training. I believe in the hierarchy of competence as a rationale for paying those who do their non-trivial jobs well better than those who do not show lesser or less-remarkable competence. I prefer reason to anger and foolishness. I distrust demagogues.
If I disagree with some ostensibly conservative agenda, I certainly believe in old standards of educational merit and in personal conduct (generally including manners) consistent with the tried-and-true. When change is necessary, it usually becomes a new conservative norm. When the avant-garde fails, then tradition is a usually the best fallback.
You're not all that Left Wing? Are you sure about that, ever read/seen one of your own posts? I have and you're pretty much Left Wing. Guess what, Americans are going to have the right to kill Left Wingers. They already do, it just hasn't been made official yet. Biden and his ill-fated ilk are moving America closer to making it official EVERY DAY they're in power. So, what's the chances of a president or an attorney general surviving when about half the country wants them dead and a portion of the country doesn't care if they die? How close are we to that college boy? I'd say we are getting pretty close myself.
We are going to persist in achieving the changes we need to keep our democracy, economy and climate sustainable, regardless of violent threats from your side, and if you guys and your militias pursue a violent course-- if we are smart enough to keep the state on our side--, we will fight and jail you or whatever is necessary to stop you and we will take your guns permanently away from you.
I think Brower's statements are enough to show that he is not a crazy far leftist, but considerate and rational, which is a kind of conservatism. That you overlook this and make violent statements Mr. Classic is evidence that you are an extreme, crazy right-winger.
Thank you, Eric. People who suggest violence as Classic X'er does typically end up on the fringe of society until they give such up (best choice!); otherwise they get blown away or put away when they try to realize their hatred in violent deeds.
The Wolverine Watchmen who plotted to kidnap the Governor of Michigan face long sentences in which they will, among other things, lose their opportunity to use their favorite toys (their guns). People are starting to get long prison terms for the Capitol putsch.
Some things must change; some thing must not change. Divine right of kings, slavery, male dominance, and feudalism all had to disappear. Such a fad as the Sexual Revolution did far more harm than good. Some ideas with huge investments in thought behind them, like Marxism-Leninism, have proved horrible. Basic needs and desires of people remain far more consistent over time than many recognize. Human nature is so complex that we rely heavily upon fiction to most fully understand it.
Classic X'er does not recognize that the word "American" means very different things to different people, and that if someone successfully redefine the word into some narrow and authoritarian meme that hurts people and desires to impose some new version of Manifest Destiny where such is unwelcome, then we can endure not only horroir from the government but defeat in an apocalyptic war. "American" includes people who don't look like me, don't pray as I do, have sex in ways that I wouldn't. and don't have the same culture as I do. Someone took a gun into an LGBT place in Colorado Springs and tried to mow a large number of people down. He killed five. There was recent chatter among American fascists of plans to attack Jewish places of worship.
One thing is clear: little creates more trouble with little benefit than does cruelty. Classic X'er reeks of cruelty in his words/
PB, you don't seem to understand the difference between a 1st generation American like yourself and the multiple generation Americans like Us. You don't seem to understand our heritage or what the American flag and what the term American means to Us either. We fought a WAR to free ourselves from the British rule and we fought another war with the British to keep our freedoms and independence intact. We fought a WAR to free slaves and keep the country intact aka reunited under one flag. We fought two world wars in the name of freedom and independence under the American flag that represented both fought by individuals who were willing to fight and die for both. What do you know about being an American or what it takes to be an American? Do you know how hard it is to be an American? Do you understand the sacrifices associated with the flag that we acknowledge when we remove our hats and place our right hand on our chest during the national anthem? What would a childults tethered to parents know about either of them?
When I said 10 years it must have been 7 years ago. The danger is upon us in 2 or 4 years now, and will last until 2029 when I hope we will have the victory over you retrogrades. How violent it will be depends on your side.
Ha ha. My father was the 5th generation of his name in an Indiana town. Most of my ancestors came to America in the 17th century. I suspect many progressives are like me. We know what the USA really means and you don't.