05-22-2016, 05:13 PM
(05-22-2016, 05:02 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:We have a different impression of Clinton. In my opinion both Obama and Clinton are in the secular camp and both are politicians( who say lots of things that don't believe). I think that Trump is basically areligious .(05-20-2016, 09:50 PM)radind Wrote:Hillary says love trumps hate, and that what we need in this country is more love and kindness. It is Hillary who stands for Christian values. Trump trashes them in his every statement and behavior. That's attacking Christianity far more than any slogan that he or any Republican religious right figure might utter. Who would Jesus insult in order to make himself look strong?(05-20-2016, 09:17 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:None of this changes my assessment that the country is now primarily a secular society. Christians will feel increasing pressure to adapt or go underground.(05-20-2016, 02:22 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:(05-20-2016, 01:54 PM)radind Wrote: In my opinion the majority in both parties is now Secular , not Christian. There was a time in history when Christians were the majority , but that time is past.
Cruz tried to make a case for some version of Christianity, but the GOP did not want that this round. I am glad that Cruz is out.
The GOP insider establishment is only concerned about their personal power and is rightfully afraid of Trump.
You have that right.
The GOP Establishment has never shown a willingness to sacrifice elite indulgence on behalf of Fundamentalist Christianity. It has made promises and blamed Democrats for the failure to implement the promises of school prayer, creationism, an abortion ban, and the outlawing of homosexuality.
School Prayer is already legal. Just because the Teaching Staff and Administration cannot initiate prayer there is no prohibitions on students initiating prayer. We actually do have Muslims where I live yes they do their prayers when required to by their religion without leaving school. Trust me kids do pray on test days.
Creationism is stupid, the very fact that on the human body the play area is right next to the sewage treatment facility only demonstrates that if there was a designer they weren't that intelligent. Never mind the fact that FACT of evolution is the very basis of all modern biology.
Banning abortion would only serve to drive the practice underground. This is potentially dangerous as you'll have people trying to solve that problem with coat hangers or worse having people taking dangerous concoctions of herbal remedies probably without the assistance of an experienced herbalist. Drinking a tincture of penny-royal will make a woman miscarry but taking too much of it will cause her to bleed to death when she does. Abortion is a necessary evil and the Christians are either going to have to learn to tolerate it or perhaps we could give them a state, fence it off and let them fend for themselves.
Outlawing homosexuality would only result in a law that is flagrantly broken and unenforceable. The US just got rid of its sodomy laws, none of them was really enforceable, that being said most people don't think the state has a role in what two consenting adults do in their bedroom. Much like most people don't think the state has a role in a woman's vagina.
(05-20-2016, 02:48 PM)Mikebert Wrote: Kinser, it is foolish for you to make the case for Trump here. It was not that long ago when you were saying a Trump presidency would be so bad it would trigger the revolution. Now you are saying it would be a good thing.
Whether or not Trump will be bad for the country exists independently of your opinion. It does not change just because you change your mind.
Because I've changed my mind I can say that it would be a good thing. Furthermore, those statements were based on wishful thinking that the material conditions for a revolution were there--they are not and never were there. Also the material basis for Marxism-Leninism is ebbing away. One either changes with the times or gets stuck in the past (like many of the Boomers here who still seem to be stuck in the 1990s).
Trump may be bad for the country, but Hillary is infinitely worse: We know her, she's been in DC since 1992 at least. She has all the worst impulses of the Establishment GOP and all of the worst impulses of the Establishment Dems. The worst people have managed to say about Trump with a shred of evidence is he sometimes says mean things on the internet. I'll take my chances with him.
I recommend reading the article I quoted in the first post of page 4 of this thread.
I don't see Trump as religious at all, but I don't expect him to attack Christianity.
If Clinton is elected, I would expect increasing pressure against Christian values.
The pressure for Christians to conform to majority secular dogma is coming from the secular camp. Trump is not a good man, it is just that I see the real threat to Christian values coming from the secular majority. It is understandable that those in the secular camp don't see any threat. They agree with the Obama/Clinton agenda.
… whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. Phil 4:8 (ESV)