The Crisis That Never Ended

[Eric the Green]

(03-26-2020, 01:32 AM)TheNomad Wrote:

(03-26-2020, 01:08 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-25-2020, 08:24 PM)TheNomad Wrote: Trying to be brief, I read an article that referenced the stimulus packages after 2001..... and the one after 2008..... and now this one.

Did this shit really ever end?  I keep trying to talk about the idea so many people never even went back to work after 2008.  Their jobs didn't exist anymore.  They fell off the tabs of Unemployment Benefits and simply stopped being counted.  But since then, ppl have lived in their vehicles while maintaining full-time job(s) or just moved in with family and never became independent again.  Or, became homeless and never got "back on their feet".

We should not forget all this when trying to examine WHEN did this "Crisis" begin anyway?  It can inform us of where we are IN the Crisis, thus, when it might end.

2008 - 2028?  That seems to be what Strauss is purveying.  I catch him every now and then with interviews.  He is currently working on "The First Turning" book.  I don't know if he has a co-author.

If so, we are smack in the middle if not past the middle.

But my point being, I find it amazing some are saying "The Crisis" as if it happened last week.  For some, there was no Crisis, for others, there was, for some, The Crisis they have been living for a LONG time.

Something tells me even aware individuals like HERE, we are not counting this correctly.  As if the Unraveling had been happening for 3 decades or more.  

Off the cuff without thinking too much, I want to say the Unraveling began around the 90s.  Even The 4th Turning places it there.  If so, that totally fits..... with Crisis in 2008 and now this crap. 

Can we get to a High in 8 years?  Of course, the authors say, every 4th Turning could spell total disaster.  It's not made in stone.

I accept Strauss and Howe dating in The Fourth Turning that says the unravelling began in 1984. That was the year that Reaganomics was cemented into the national psyche after the early years of his term when there was still much doubt about it and protest against it. 1984 was "morning in America" and all generations "acquiesed in indulgence" according to S&H. Yes, it's Mr. Howe writing the books now. He's good, but he doesn't get involved in discussion forums like Mr. Strauss used to do. Interesting that he died in 2007 and just missed seeing his 4th turning prophecy come true.

To me, 2008 is not a long time ago, but for younger people it probably is. Myself, I think the 21st century didn't really begin. With luck, it's beginning now.

By 21st Century I assume you mean "New Age" metaphorically.

I suppose, but what I mean when I say that is mostly about what happened on Dec.12, 2000, when the Supreme Court gave the election to George W Bush. That meant that Reaganomics and militarism along with fundamentalist ideology and attacks on democracy were just going to continue and get worse. That meant that the 21st century was stillborn. Nothing changed; things got worse. Of course, now I also know that Bush had a much higher horoscope score than Gore, so it shows that the US presidential election depends most of all on the personal likability and appeal of the two candidates. I have to admit that Bush appealed to average 'muricans and the silent majority of apple-pie and motherhood. His birthday is even close to the USA's, and in fact his solar degree is the same as America's, much like Calvin Coolidge. Gore may have had somewhat better policies in mind, but he was a ponderous wonk.

Quote:  Well, what about the Internet?  That is a thing of turn of the century when everyone began using it.  No one had an email address until about end of the 90s, then by 10 years later, everyone had that, a phone, a pre social media presence on the Internet, and soon after, everything we now know as modern comes from broadband and cellular connection and fiber optics.  From all-in-one com devices to handy screens to digital media and the "video age".

That happened in just over a decade.

More tech gadgets. To me, that's not a change. Things became more convenient, and new tech problems replaced old ones. Changes are political, social, economic; it's about who has the power. Politics has been on hold at least since 1980. We've had nothing but regression and stalemate, with a nation hypnotized by Reaganomics. 2008 and 2020 punched a temporary hole in it, and we'll see whether this hole fills up or gets bigger.

Quote:And, if you say unraveling began in 1984, and using a generic 20yr time frame, that's 2004... 2005 begins Crisis?  That's about right.

No, because as I pointed out in another post, what is generic is the 84-year saeculum. Some recent turnings, the previous 4T and 1T for example, were shorter than usual. I think it was because of events (and planetary indicators agree). The Battle of the Bulge and the atom bomb ended WWII sooner than it might have ended otherwise. The JFK assassination started the Awakening sooner than it might have started otherwise. That meant a longer 3T, from 1984 to 2008, to make up for these two shorter turnings, and it means the 4T will be a normal length turning instead of shortened like the previous two 4Ts. Normal length, and tending not to get to the point very soon.

Quote:Now, adjust to take 2008 into consideration, the idea Artists began being born I can't say any earlier than that taking Hero bracket into consideration.  It's all fine-tuning then.

If Artist is a child during Crisis and sheltered, and grows up remembering it but not necessarily actively participating.  So, Artist born in 2005??  But the time the first is 15yo, the Crisis is in full swing (2020). 

Whatever it is, the authors' model is very helpful.  Crisis ends by end of this decade or sooner.  Still j/c that just sucks to have that much more.

A lot of things these days suck, including that. End of the decade, it will end. But things will ramp up speed, starting now, and more and more so. By 2025-26 the fog will be gone and we'll see plenty of action.