02-02-2021, 01:16 AM
(02-01-2021, 11:59 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(02-01-2021, 05:31 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(02-01-2021, 03:56 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Bob Butler 54
(01-31-2021, 08:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: As a matter of fact, its more likely the Democratic party fractures and implodes before the American right disappears these days.
Well, not if you look at history. The old values generally collapse in a crisis.
If you look at American history, you'll see that America has always prevailed. You're tied to the DNC. We're not tied to the GOP or the DNC. We are free to break with tradition, cut ties with the Democratic party and reestablish an American based nation.
Not really. In every crisis, the largest problems with the culture are addressed. This is the second time, with the US Civil War being the first, that race has played a large role in a crisis. That is when the two cultures primarily go head to head. In such cases, as in most cases, America has stepped further away from the Agricultural Age patterns. It has been the rural, conservative, cavalier faction that ends up adjusting its values.
But you wind up scrambling facts and history to support your mindset. People do not alter their mindsets without a traumatic trauma, and it seems that you do not value lives enough to be traumatized. Thus, you are stuck with your existing values.
I'm not tied to a particular view/belief of a theory nor do I have an emotional attachment to particular outcome like you either. Unlike you, I'm opened minded and using common sense. Dude, the Democratic side supports the murder of millions of humans each year. You are on the side that values unfettered abortion right.
In 2018, 619,591 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. Among 48 reporting areas with data each year during 2009–2018, in 2018, a total of 614,820 abortions were reported, the abortion rate was 11.3 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 189 abortions per 1,000 live births.
https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/d.../index.htm
Don't exaggerate.
Quote:You'd be wise to consider that the next time you open your mouth about others unwillingness to do/sacrifice anything to save your lives. We are stepping away from industrial age pattern this time. You represent the old industrial age values like big government, centralized power, quasi socialism, unionization and so forth. In short, the reality is that the old Left has gone full circle and has pretty sold out.
That's odd! The Right has found itself increasingly amenable to Big Government which can provide lucrative contracts, enforce anti-competitive tendencies in business, promote wars for profit, and make money off welfare. Big Business has no problem with SNAP because it turns potential shoplifters into customers. (that's fine for me, too, because food security is a legitimate issue). Big Government means big roads, big hydroelectric projects, and military bases.
The big change is that manufacturing has become a smaller share of economic activity over time. We really aren't buying more stuff. Economic reality has become more precarious. Unions are the only reliable friends of the working person, and the weakening of unions corresponds closely to the decline of real wages.
Quote: The new Left is back to (where) the old Left started during the turn of the last century with a lot more people, a lot more problems of all kinds and a much higher hurdle/larger gap than there was back then. We're talking about millions of third world level people Bob. Whose problem is it, it's not America's problem, it's a Democratic/round head problem that the Democratic party has been ignoring, acting as if it's not a problem and not dealing with or properly addressing and doing little to nothing to stop and politically accommodating/protecting for years. Who the hell do you think we are dude, a bunch of pandering/blathering idiots/ partisan hacks like you guys.
Far more problems than 120 years ago? No. All the infections for which medicine had no reliable cures? And don't wax nostalgic for Doctor Quack's Curative Elixir that could solve everything from teething pain to cancer. If you think that the world is a mess now, then think what it was like when a huge part of the rule was under the rule of colonial overlords. The life for an industrial worker was typically a seventy-hour workweek and a forty-year lifespan, with the children being dragooned into industrial work as their parents started to go into career decline around age thirty-five. Say what you want about the Third World today, conditions really were Third World in the Garment District.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.