02-05-2021, 02:01 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-05-2021, 02:02 PM by Eric the Green.)
(02-04-2021, 06:03 PM)mamabug Wrote:(02-04-2021, 03:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: You weren't so concerned about what Trump was doing recently, like throwing kids in cages to die.
1. The Left's power is limited. They have the senate by 1 vote and still have the filibuster. The have the House by only 11 votes.
2. The right-wing has the supreme court and many federal courts.
3. Most Democratic policies are not ill-liberal, while Republicans continue with voter suppression. Republicans are against democracy.
4. The Feds, starting even before Biden took over, are arresting the thugs who attacked us. I hope they put them in jail and throw away the key. Creeps like Taylor-Greene and Loebert cannot be unfavored enough to suit me. Claiming that David Hogg is an actor and that the gun massacres were staged is way beyond the pale, let alone threatening the life of Pelosi. Put them in jail.
5. Stop repeating fascist arguments.
Again, I was not on here until about a month ago - long after it was clear what the outcome of the election was. How much I was or was not concerned about immigration policies under any President prior to this one isn't something you can infer without evidence. I'd be happy to discuss everything I think is wrong with the immigration policies from both parties if a thread on it spins up. Please don't project beliefs onto me, especially in an impugning manner.
OK. You seem a Trump supporter though. Did you support his immigration policies? And note, I am not asking whether you support Obama's policies. Whataboutism does not answer the question.
Quote:1. The power is limited only if they are not acting in unity. It won't be until actual legislation is proposed and voted on that it will be known how much consensus there is for some of the scarier ideas floating out there, until then this remains a point of concern. It also won't be until the GOP actually uses the filibuster for something the DNC wants that we will know if it is going to hold. I figure I'll know sometime within the next three months whether or not my worries are unfounded.
We have more than enough evidence from their past behavior that Republicans are likely to filibuster almost anything. Are you new to the USA too?
Quote:2. I don't trust the Supreme Court on civil liberty issues. Roberts *will* cave if it means protecting the institution, he's already proven that; Kavanaugh and Barrett are establishment with poor records on upholding the rights of the little guy against the state; Breyer, Sotomayor, Thomas, and Alito are hit and miss depending on the rights involved and how political the issue is; Gorsuch I don't always agree with but his reasoning is usually pretty solid and he isn't afraid to break across ideological lines; and Kagan is completely useless. Again, though, it all comes down to point #1 - if the DNC is unified enough around an agenda then they can pull another 'nuclear option.'
It is always the liberal, Democratic appointees that protect the little guy from the institution. Of course we can't depend on the conservatives (Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett, and often Roberts) for that. But you support the institution. You are on its side in your policies, are you not? The DNC is not the Senate, and it will have to pack the Court to overturn its opposition to progressive legislation, which is what protects the little guy from the institution. Protecting the right to discriminate on the basis of race or religion is NOT protecting the little guy from the institution; it is the opposite of that. Conservatives like you frequently get that mixed up. Senator Cruz mixes that up all the time. Quit with conspiracy theories about the DNC. It does not control Democratic voters or politicians; vice-versa.
Quote:3. Again, not sure if you are deep in cognitive dissonance or are legitimately unaware of the actions and agenda of what is increasingly becoming mainstream left-wing thought. I can point to at least three things being seriously discussed on the left in the last week alone that are illiberal bordering on dystopian. Beyond the actual proposals, though, is the general feeling of animosity and desire to punish coming from those who, ostensibly, won. That is never a good sign in the victors regardless of whether those feelings may be justified - just ask the women of East Berlin in 1945.
You say you can point to three illiberal things from the Left, but you didn't. What Biden and the Democrats are doing now is not punishing; as I said, it is merely restoring sanity. You seem worried about the right to carry and sell confederate flags. I see your point, but am not so worried about that; the confederate flag proclaims white supremacy. I am more worried about THAT. Why aren't you? Why do you not express concern over the deadly mob taking over the Capitol and nullifying democracy? I don't see any posts from you expressing that concern.
Quote:4. The law unevenly applied is not justice. Once upon a time the Left believed that.
5. Worrying that a unified political and social elite might infringe upon the civil liberties of it's opponents is a fascist argument? I guess in a world where silence is violence and violence is mostly peaceful that almost makes sense.
The civil liberties you worry about being infringed on, are your supposed "right" to infringe on the liberties of others. Just like the "freedom" conservatives extol, is the freedom to exploit, infringe-on and repress others through "free enterprise" (their "rights" as bosses). Or the "right" to carry guns to threaten the safety of others.