02-16-2021, 04:43 AM
(02-16-2021, 12:56 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:(02-15-2021, 01:20 PM)David Horn Wrote:(02-14-2021, 07:59 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(02-14-2021, 04:30 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The Democratic party and all it's wisdom has now embarked (already committed you and everyone else) on collision coarse with America dude and you're still stuck and still have your panties up in a bunch over the relatively minor event that took place on January 6th. You ain't seen nothing yet dude. All you seen was a relatively small display of over all capability. You just wait and see how ugly things are after two years of continues Democratic fuck ups and misreads with Americans paying the price dude. You're going to be lucky if you have a pot to piss in after this buddy.
Trump had to pull violent insurrectionists from all over the country to hold the capitol insurrection. Trump proceeded to throw the insurgents under the bus. They made few attempts to hide their identities. There were lots of cameras. The government is now taking red violence seriously. All for a negligible delay in certifying the election. Such a vote counting delay can not happen again. On inauguration day the violent insurgents took one look at all the protection around the capitol and state capitols and turned and ran.
Expensive, but effective.
As a nation we're moving on, but not in Classic's preferred direction. I'm not sure he understands how far to the extreme right the GOP is today. Most of the apples-to-apples comparisons put the GOP in the same camp with Modi's party in India and Erdogan's in Turkey. Not the best of company. The nation is tiring of the RW rhetoric and the abusive politics even moreso. That said, the nation is still far to the right of just about every advance nation on earth, so the journey is just beginning.
How did you become so partisan? Who indoctrinated you? What country do you live in? Do you live in the Democratic states of America or do you still live in the United States of America?
You could as easily be saying this of me, in view of your extreme division of America into parts that really are Americans and parts that aren't. If one isn't hyper-partisan now, then most likely one is going from one side to the other. America does not divide neatly by geography into two nations, one that you see as holders of all genuine and necessary virtues and the other completely lacking in those.
There is no "Democratic States of America" and "Republican States of America". Even the states have their inner divisions. Greater Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton, and Toledo are strongly D although the rural areas are very R. Greater Memphis (which does extend into Mississippi and Arkansas) and Nashville are strongly D while most of the state is strongly R. On the other side, Atlanta is politically more like Los Angeles than like rural Georgia, and rural Michigan is about as R as Nebraska outside of Lincoln and Greater Omaha. If you dream of splitting America along Party lines you would get a patchwork of small "blue" areas over a largely "red" map. That is much, if with a different color scheme, how most countries would look.
"Red" America produces the food that largely goes to "Blue" America, and "Blue" America prepares the surplus for export that makes "Red" America's farmers able to not have to live like peasants. "Blue" America has the colleges that educate the Best and Brightest of Red America and creates the entertainment and supplies the information that keeps "Red" America from becoming even more mindless than it already is. Are you a Country fan? Nashville is predominantly D in its voting. We really do need each other.
No, we are not going to send "specially-trained black men" to seduce your precious white daughters and impregnate them so that they can betray the white race in their wombs. No, we are not going to send Muslim missionaries to your communities so that your youth can transform churches into mosques because they have converted to Islam.
If you want my opinion on what is wrong with America economically, it is that people who believe that profit is the only legitimate objective in life, even for those who cannot enjoy more than an animal level of existence due to an all-for-the-few ideology of tycoons and executives who buy the politicians still control the campaign funds. Nasty as things are for working people, those tycoons and executives want things to get even harsher. I do not believe in any pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die promise contingent on suffering in This World on behalf of rapacious elites. If those rapacious elites truly believed in it then they would divest themselves of their economic privilege and suffer like their victims. In education? We have dedicated K-12 schooling mostly to train people to fit into entry-level, dead-end jobs that fit the ideology of the Master Class, and even college education for something just slightly more advanced. To that end in collegiate education we have sacrificed the old objective of liberal arts education which was to improve the youth by demonstrating that there is more to life than material gain and indulgence, bureaucratic power, and unrefined hedonism (sex & drugs & rock-and-roll) with the word luxury as a "sucker" appeal.
I remember when the Republican Party had some appeal to smart, rational people. That is over! That is as much over as the Cold War. The Republican Party has aligned itself with all sorts of political madness on the Right.
Quote:So, have you and the others figured out what you guys are going to do when the experiment that you're all related to and reliant upon one way or another ends. I don't really care if Harris and Pelosi end up sharing the same fate of Marie Antoinette.
If fascism takes over in America and brings America onto some disastrous course of genocide and military aggression, then I will take delight when the principals of such a course of action end up sharing the same fate as Joachim von Ribbentrop and Hideki Tojo.
Quote:The Democrats are in the process of burning their last bridge with America and starting a war with America over issues that most could care less about and you think you're winning at this point?
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris got 81 million+ votes and (what matters) 306 votes in the Electoral College with a higher percentage of the overall popular vote than Ronald Reagan got in 1980. Donald Trump and Mike Pence got fewer than 75 million popular votes and only 232 electoral votes. Had Americans of all political stripes known what would happen on January 6, then I could imagine Joe Biden and Kamala Harris winning a margin of the popular vote like that of Ronald Reagan against Walter Mondale. Mondale was an awful politician, but he was at least a good person. We will never know, just as we will never know how different America would be had someone been guarding the entrance to the President's box at Ford's Theater one night in April 1865.
Donald Trump has transformed the Party of Lincoln into a fascist cult. That is shameful in the extreme.
Quote:Which advanced nation isn't reliant upon America to keep the Boogeyman at bay or the United Nations afloat? Now, I understand that you're used to being around a bunch of clueless idiots with college degree's who are used to going along with morons for a living. I don't know, maybe you're getting old and unable to use that brain of yours and I should cut you some slack out of respect for your age and the wisdom that you are supposed to represent these days.
The bogeyman is Donald Trump. Rumors are that Queen Elizabeth II despises him. It's no secret about Angela Merkel.
The problem with the college degree today is not its lack of intellectual rigor; it is now the lack of intellectual breadth. People with college degrees who have chosen social work as a career are often dealing with morons that the system wants to keep out of institutions. I see at least two years of liberal arts education as a desirable solution to transforming callow youth into intellectually-competent adults who don't rely upon mass low entertainment as leisure and recognize propaganda as harm.
I have yet to see you condemn Q-Anon, which I have mocked as Qu Qlux Qlan-on for its Qraziness.
Quote:What is it with the Left and the Left's lack of common sense these days? Biden's acting more like Erdogan these days. Biden's the one who is over reacting to a relatively minor problem and abusing his authority by participating in racial/ ideological profile and ignoring the existence of the Constitution at the moment.
Do we have anything like Q-Anon? Do we have the Proud Boys, The Base, and the Atomwaffen Division that Canada just put on its list of terrorist organizations? Do the people caught plotting to kidnap the Governor of Michigan have any parallel on what passes as the American Left?
By now Democrats are becoming the Party of civic peace, rule of law, rationality, ethnic inclusion, and the promotion of skill and learning.
Quote:I mean, Biden ain't shit compared to Big Tech these days. So, how you done anything about big tech calling all the shots yet or are you sucking up and going a long with them like every other clueless Biden supporter who doesn't value their own or anyone elses freedoms these days. So, who wants all of you guys today? Is there an advanced country out there that wants all you guys today? You better start looking for country's that want you dude.
Big Tech depends upon well-educated people to do the design and engineering. Think of those thugs breaking up demonstrations in Portland, Oregon this summer. They had similar vehicles with large US flags and Trump banners. Is that how we want law enforcement (and a secret police that has yet to name itself does things that way) to act? No thanks! I'll leave law enforcement to the local cops who bust spouse-beaters, car thieves, and operators of meth labs.
Because of COVID-19 Americans of all political orientations, places of residence, and levels of skill and education are unwelcome as tourists. Thank you, Donald Trump, for having a year of plague as the most memorable event of your catastrophic Presidency!
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.