Donald Trump and Dictatorial Taste

[Kinser79]

(03-20-2017, 05:19 PM)Odin Wrote:

(03-20-2017, 03:05 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: ROFLAMO

Odin have you learned nothing about history?  Or is your head so full of bullshit you can't.

States that attempt to base themselves on popular will are inherently unstable.  Democracies either degenerate into tyrannies of the majority or into chaos.  Which of course is why the US is not a democracy and never has been.  It is of course a Republic.

The US is both a democracy and a republic, they are not mutually conflicting terms. The whole "we are a republic, not a democracy" talking point comes from artificially narrow definition of democracy and outright intellectual dishonestly.

Modern liberal democracies have these things called rights which exist exactly to prevent a tyranny of the majority.

(03-20-2017, 03:05 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: ROFLAMO

Odin have you learned nothing about history?  Or is your head so full of bullshit you can't.

States that attempt to base themselves on popular will are inherently unstable.  Democracies either degenerate into tyrannies of the majority or into chaos.  Which of course is why the US is not a democracy and never has been.  It is of course a Republic.

As for Oligarchy, it is more or less the natural state for mankind.  There is a class that rules and a class that is ruled.  But in no case has there ever been such a class, ruled or ruling that was frozen in stasis without the intervention of the state

(03-20-2017, 03:10 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: Big business doesn't have to "take over the state", monopolies are created by the state.  In the modern format mostly through regulatory capture--but prior to that things were a little more direct.  As for businesses getting big to start with--well that's capitalism for you.  Expand or die.

As to Libertarianism I'll let the Libertarians answer for that, you know considering I'm not a Libertarian.

You think all those Gilded Age monopolies and trusts were created by the state? It took state power in order to break up those monopolies.

1.  The Founders feared democracy and rightly so.  However, that does not preclude Republics from having democratic institutions.  However the US is not now, nor ever has been a democracy.

2.  Institutions that prohibit the tyanny of the majority usually indicate that the state in question is a Republic which is what most of your "modern democracies" actually are.

3.  Gilded Age Monopolies and Trusts were created by the state because on the federal level there was no laws to prevent their formation.  Capitalism requires businesses to expand or die, therefore they expand to their maximum possible extent.

At most a state that is hostile to monopoly formation can prevent them from happening, and break them up hen they do (See Sherman Anti-Trust act), but in no case has regulation of industry prevented the formation of monopolies--in most cases it has increased monopoly and oligopoly in industries through regulatory capture.

Also Odin you've not answered my question.