What should people who hate their generation do?

[AspieMillennial]

I hate Millennials online because so many of them are arrogant atheists who want an end to hope, faith,  and spirituality. They don't have a respect for the soul, the afterlife, or the intrinsic value of a person. It makes me not care if harsh laws are applied against them. They started it against the Millennials who are still religious.

[X Marks the Spot]

I figure, given the word "Aspie" in your username, that you jave Asperger's. This begs the question: Aren't Aspies statistically much more likely than non-Aspies to be atheists? Seems that by targeting atheists you'd end up targeting your own neurotype the most of all.

[David Horn]

(05-28-2021, 04:22 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: I hate Millennials online because so many of them are arrogant atheists who want an end to hope, faith,  and spirituality. They don't have a respect for the soul, the afterlife, or the intrinsic value of a person. It makes me not care if harsh laws are applied against them. They started it against the Millennials who are still religious.

Sorry, but the hyper-religious started a pogrom against the non-religious and even the slightly too liberal but still religious. It's been in full swing for 50 years.  We're well past due for a major correction -- which seems to be your complaint.

[AspieMillennial]

(05-29-2021, 01:01 AM)X Marks the Spot Wrote: I figure, given the word "Aspie" in your username, that you jave Asperger's. This begs the question: Aren't Aspies statistically much more likely than non-Aspies to be atheists? Seems that by targeting atheists you'd end up targeting your own neurotype the most of all.

Seeing that belief is a choice I don't care. Seeing that atheists persecute my beliefs I don't care. My identity and beliefs go beyond mere statistics. Why am I bound to any belief system because of said statistics? Why do I have to be loyal to people against my beliefs just because we happen to be born in the same demographic?

[AspieMillennial]

(05-29-2021, 09:39 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-28-2021, 04:22 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: I hate Millennials online because so many of them are arrogant atheists who want an end to hope, faith,  and spirituality. They don't have a respect for the soul, the afterlife, or the intrinsic value of a person. It makes me not care if harsh laws are applied against them. They started it against the Millennials who are still religious.

Sorry, but the hyper-religious started a pogrom against the non-religious and even the slightly too liberal but still religious. It's been in full swing for 50 years.  We're well past due for a major correction -- which seems to be your complaint.

The major correction involves a world where Christians are persecuted. It involves a world where atheists mock anything having to do with the soul. I don't want to suffer just because the atheists had a bad relationship with their parents.

[David Horn]

(05-29-2021, 10:37 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote:

(05-29-2021, 09:39 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-28-2021, 04:22 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: I hate Millennials online because so many of them are arrogant atheists who want an end to hope, faith,  and spirituality. They don't have a respect for the soul, the afterlife, or the intrinsic value of a person. It makes me not care if harsh laws are applied against them. They started it against the Millennials who are still religious.

Sorry, but the hyper-religious started a pogrom against the non-religious and even the slightly too liberal but still religious. It's been in full swing for 50 years.  We're well past due for a major correction -- which seems to be your complaint.

The major correction involves a world where Christians are persecuted. It involves a world where atheists mock anything having to do with the soul. I don't want to suffer just because the atheists had a bad relationship with their parents.

Christians are in the majority in this country -- Evangelicals being the most dominant Christian type.  By what stretch of the imagination are you persecuted ... unless your definition of persecution is ridicule?  I live in a Bright Red area with so many Evangelical churches it makes me wonder how they can find enough parishioners.  I get Christian nagging on a regular basis, just going about life.  Many of those same naggers are out partying hard on the weekends, so hypocrisy is also common.

Look, you can't be the majority and claim persecution. It just doesn't work that way.

[pbrower2a]

(05-29-2021, 10:37 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote:

(05-29-2021, 09:39 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-28-2021, 04:22 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: I hate Millennials online because so many of them are arrogant atheists who want an end to hope, faith,  and spirituality. They don't have a respect for the soul, the afterlife, or the intrinsic value of a person. It makes me not care if harsh laws are applied against them. They started it against the Millennials who are still religious.

Sorry, but the hyper-religious started a pogrom against the non-religious and even the slightly too liberal but still religious. It's been in full swing for 50 years.  We're well past due for a major correction -- which seems to be your complaint.

The major correction involves a world where Christians are persecuted. It involves a world where atheists mock anything having to do with the soul. I don't want to suffer just because the atheists had a bad relationship with their parents.

Fundamentalist Christians are not being persecuted. They are not being denied jobs unless they are so stubborn as to insist in young-earth creationism or "Flood geology". Then again, one of the biggest employers near where I live is a casino, and most gambling is a sucker bet, so if I am to be true to my belief that doing a job that implies harm to others is terribly wrong, then I can hardly work there. The irony is that I might otherwise be the ideal sports bookie due to my understanding of statistics and probability.

They can make life unpleasant for atheists, agnostics, non-Christians, and even the "wrong sorts" of Christians (let us say Roman Catholics), especially in "their" schools and other institutions. 

Find fellow atheists as companions. Maybe you can find a dating service that largely deals with atheists.

[Captain Genet]

I was on millennial dominated sites, and I indeed noticed how some users reacted with hate even to vaguely conservative views like mine. I was a "men's right activist" because I don't like radical feminism and don't think girls should wear miniskirts and crop tops to school. I was a Putinist troll because I have East Slavic ancestry and like some Russian thinkers like Tsiolkovsky or Solovyov. Of course all of that according to kids half my age.

So I quit most debate websites, though this one is friendly enough to be an exception.

[Eric the Green]

(05-29-2021, 10:35 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote:

(05-29-2021, 01:01 AM)X Marks the Spot Wrote: I figure, given the word "Aspie" in your username, that you have Asperger's. This begs the question: Aren't Aspies statistically much more likely than non-Aspies to be atheists? Seems that by targeting atheists you'd end up targeting your own neurotype the most of all.

Seeing that belief is a choice I don't care. Seeing that atheists persecute my beliefs I don't care. My identity and beliefs go beyond mere statistics. Why am I bound to any belief system because of said statistics? Why do I have to be loyal to people against my beliefs just because we happen to be born in the same demographic?

You don't. Generational types are generalizations. There are people with all types of views and identities within every generation. So just consider yourself to be part of those groups with which you agree or share traits, and associate with them if you find that more pleasant than associating with various fanatics with whom you disagree.

The major division in our society is political, not generational. Millennials tend to be more liberal, but also tend to be independent. That's just a trend. White male millennials are more evenly split, and tend to be slightly conservative overall, a trend probably enhanced by the extreme conservatism among white southerners and among white males of border states. Millennials tend to be less religious than older folks, but many may be interested in spirituality. These are just trends, and no-one says the trend is everything.

[David Horn]

(06-09-2021, 01:07 PM)Captain Genet Wrote: I was on millennial dominated sites, and I indeed noticed how some users reacted with hate even to vaguely conservative views like mine. I was a "men's right activist" because I don't like radical feminism and don't think girls should wear miniskirts and crop tops to school. I was a Putinist troll because I have East Slavic ancestry and like some Russian thinkers like Tsiolkovsky or Solovyov. Of course all of that according to kids half my age.

So I quit most debate websites, though this one is friendly enough to be an exception.

Any group of zealots will inevitably contain a large number of absolutists who are simply incapable of rational thought.  That's true on the left as much as the right, with one caveat: it's vastly more prevalent on today's right.  So yes, stupid is not bound by philosophy.

[AspieMillennial]

(06-09-2021, 01:07 PM)Captain Genet Wrote: I was on millennial dominated sites, and I indeed noticed how some users reacted with hate even to vaguely conservative views like mine. I was a "men's right activist" because I don't like radical feminism and don't think girls should wear miniskirts and crop tops to school. I was a Putinist troll because I have East Slavic ancestry and like some Russian thinkers like Tsiolkovsky or Solovyov. Of course all of that according to kids half my age.

So I quit most debate websites, though this one is friendly enough to be an exception.

Being a Millennial with my minority view trampled upon made my views stronger and more fervent. I'm much more religious than I probably would be if I were a Boomer because I'm reacting against all the atheists my age. Our views are persecuted in the youth so it makes my views stronger.

[Captain Genet]

(06-12-2021, 10:47 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(06-09-2021, 01:07 PM)Captain Genet Wrote: I was on millennial dominated sites, and I indeed noticed how some users reacted with hate even to vaguely conservative views like mine. I was a "men's right activist" because I don't like radical feminism and don't think girls should wear miniskirts and crop tops to school. I was a Putinist troll because I have East Slavic ancestry and like some Russian thinkers like Tsiolkovsky or Solovyov. Of course all of that according to kids half my age.

So I quit most debate websites, though this one is friendly enough to be an exception.

Any group of zealots will inevitably contain a large number of absolutists who are simply incapable of rational thought.  That's true on the left as much as the right, with one caveat: it's vastly more prevalent on today's right.  So yes, stupid is not bound by philosophy.

Extreme right, of either theocratic or nationalistic variety, takes absolutism to the extreme of condemning anybody who disagrees with their ideas to hell.
Extreme left takes relativism to the extreme of calling anybody who makes a moral judgement a bully. And since they believe they have a duty to "punch up", they become bullies themselves.

On the site I mentioned there was more bullying from the Left.

What can we do about that?
-Visit websites with people you find relatable. Like for Aspie, fellow Evangelicals
-Cut down on online time in general and find relatable people IRL

[David Horn]

(06-15-2021, 02:47 AM)Captain Genet Wrote:

(06-12-2021, 10:47 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(06-09-2021, 01:07 PM)Captain Genet Wrote: I was on millennial dominated sites, and I indeed noticed how some users reacted with hate even to vaguely conservative views like mine. I was a "men's right activist" because I don't like radical feminism and don't think girls should wear miniskirts and crop tops to school. I was a Putinist troll because I have East Slavic ancestry and like some Russian thinkers like Tsiolkovsky or Solovyov. Of course all of that according to kids half my age.

So I quit most debate websites, though this one is friendly enough to be an exception.

Any group of zealots will inevitably contain a large number of absolutists who are simply incapable of rational thought.  That's true on the left as much as the right, with one caveat: it's vastly more prevalent on today's right.  So yes, stupid is not bound by philosophy.

Extreme right, of either theocratic or nationalistic variety, takes absolutism to the extreme of condemning anybody who disagrees with their ideas to hell.
Extreme left takes relativism to the extreme of calling anybody who makes a moral judgement a bully. And since they believe they have a duty to "punch up", they become bullies themselves.

On the site I mentioned there was more bullying from the Left.

What can we do about that?
-Visit websites with people you find relatable. Like for Aspie, fellow Evangelicals
-Cut down on online time in general and find relatable people IRL

If we only discuss things with people who share our views, how do we test them?   Preaching to the choir, or joining the Amen chorus is, frankly, a waste of time.

[pbrower2a]

One of the most important things to learn is that no generation is a monolith. The economic elites (which was regrettably so for Boomers and is coming to an end as Boomer executives start to retire) might become monoliths, but the rest aren't. You might choose occupations that the elites do not touch. I am astonished that welding, an activity that does not seem to hold many Idealist characteristics, is a job to which blue-collar Boomers headed in great numbers. For good reason, those jobs are opening as Boomers retire.

One feature of the 3T and most of the current 4T likely to end is the extreme disparity of economic result. Bloated, over-extended, but highly-centralized and bureaucratized firms that offer the same thing to all people irrespective of where they live started to implode in the latter part of the Double-Zero decade are going to have other followers. Small business is far more responsive, more lean, and more resilient. If you want to see a good model for small business, then look at the business activities of the Old Order Amish in southern Michigan and northern Indiana. The Amish were the sort of "market" that Big Business served poorly. They didn't buy the expensive toys of indulgence that the "English" bought. Their businesses are closely connected to agriculture, and they are local. Small businesses, they do not need armies of accountants, marketing 'experts', and chains of command that an entity like Sears couldn't live with out -- but eventually killed Sears.

I expect more people to be able to make things on the spot, fitting the customer perfectly, through 3D printing. This will fit consumer purchases of dry goods from apparel to fishing lures to aftermarket parts for cars. Oh, so you need a replacement lampshade? That can be made on site.

As economic disparities weaken, people will rely less upon shoddy stuff and more upon quality material and construction for such things as furniture.

[Anthony '58]

(06-16-2021, 02:45 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

Quote:One of the most important things to learn is that no generation is a monolith. The economic elites (which was regrettably so for Boomers and is coming to an end as Boomer executives start to retire) might become monoliths, but the rest aren't. You might choose occupations that the elites do not touch. I am astonished that welding, an activity that does not seem to hold many Idealist characteristics, is a job to which blue-collar Boomers headed in great numbers. For good reason, those jobs are opening as Boomers retire.

One feature of the 3T and most of the current 4T likely to end is the extreme disparity of economic result. Bloated, over-extended, but highly-centralized and bureaucratized firms that offer the same thing to all people irrespective of where they live started to implode in the latter part of the Double-Zero decade are going to have other followers. Small business is far more responsive, more lean, and more resilient. If you want to see a good model for small business, then look at the business activities of the Old Order Amish in southern Michigan and northern Indiana. The Amish were the sort of "market" that Big Business served poorly. They didn't buy the expensive toys of indulgence that the "English" bought. Their businesses are closely connected to agriculture, and they are local. Small businesses, they do not need armies of accountants, marketing 'experts', and chains of command that an entity like Sears couldn't live with out -- but eventually killed Sears.

I expect more people to be able to make things on the spot, fitting the customer perfectly, through 3D printing. This will fit consumer purchases of dry goods from apparel to fishing lures to aftermarket parts for cars. Oh, so you need a replacement lampshade? That can be made on site.

As economic disparities weaken, people will rely less upon shoddy stuff and more upon quality material and construction for such things as furniture.

But furniture, etc., is something that Nomads have traditionally excelled in - see Art Deco, etc.

[pbrower2a]

One does not have to be 140 years old to appreciate Art Deco. One must be that old to make Art Deco effectively.