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(03-04-2022, 12:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Canada has been one of the better countries. It does have the neoliberal trend common to English-speaking countries that has held us all backward and served the interests of the rich and greedy like you, Classic Xer. Trudeau has done well in suppressing the nazi truckers who not only shut down economies for three weeks, but who also constantly and brutally tyrannize our highways by making it dangerous for real people to drive on them without taking our lives into our hands. Big money made sure to take down our trains that would free us from this trucker tyranny. Fools like you Classic Xer believe prejudiced, racist propaganda that protesters against wanton police murder and violence are rioters, while ignoring the economic terrorism that these stupid conspiracy theory believers have imposed upon us because they refuse to consider the needs of anyone but themselves and their brutal regime. Thank goodness Prime Minister Trudeau stood up for law and democracy and took these criminals and their sabotage off the streets. I don't know if he went so far as to put these traitors in jail and confiscate their broken-down trucks, but I hope so. And if the truckers in the USA try this, I'm sure Biden and DC authorities will know what to do with these greedy crooks and tyrants.
You're pretty boy governor is much wealthier than me. The President, the Speaker of the House and the current Senate leader are all much wealthier than me too. Trudeau looks as pretty as you're governor don't you think and he's probably just as rich as him too. As a matter of fact, all the career politicians and most of the Democratic newbies like AOC on the Democratic side are much richer than me. So, who's interests are you really serving and want Us to serve too dude? I assume that you're getting a piece of the action too. Well, you have a few more years (a decade or so right) before the Democratic system aka the Neo Liberal globalist/quasi socialist crashes and burns. Oh well, there goes the UN and most of what it actually stands for today. You know, primarily greed and corruption and preventing and accomplishing nothing. Like I said, it's what you all deserve and what you all have proven that you deserve to Us over the years? My only interest in Acirema are the good people who are stuck living there right now. BTW, good people will kill bad people and allow bad people to be killed. You don't seem to know the difference between good people and bad people and the bulk of your politicians and their rich donors don't seem to know the difference either. This is 4T and 4T's are reckonings that result in the death of lots of bad people associated with evil people and lots of powerless innocent people who are afraid to stick their necks out, place their lives at risk and confront evil.
Like I've said, you have to be able to raise the bar higher than you're used to when speaking to typical Liberal voters, when you are speaking to American voters like Us. I don't know if you know but Americans like Us are all pretty smart and all pretty good at whatever it is they do for a living. We aren't all good writers or public speakers or politicians/public servants/bureaucrats or full time academics or teachers but we are all pretty smart and confident in ourselves and our capabilities pertaining to whatever it is that we do for a living. Hint, we do just about everything there is to do for a living these days. The American truckers are just some of Us but their message and their cause are supported by millions of Us. Personally speaking, I don't think fucking with the country that you are living in and reliant upon is a good idea but whatever, you're the ones who are supposed to be smarter than Us and know better than Us these days. Time will tell if that's true or bullshit.
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(03-05-2022, 02:13 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-04-2022, 12:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Canada has been one of the better countries. It does have the neoliberal trend common to English-speaking countries that has held us all backward and served the interests of the rich and greedy like you, Classic Xer. Trudeau has done well in suppressing the nazi truckers who not only shut down economies for three weeks, but who also constantly and brutally tyrannize our highways by making it dangerous for real people to drive on them without taking our lives into our hands. Big money made sure to take down our trains that would free us from this trucker tyranny. Fools like you Classic Xer believe prejudiced, racist propaganda that protesters against wanton police murder and violence are rioters, while ignoring the economic terrorism that these stupid conspiracy theory believers have imposed upon us because they refuse to consider the needs of anyone but themselves and their brutal regime. Thank goodness Prime Minister Trudeau stood up for law and democracy and took these criminals and their sabotage off the streets. I don't know if he went so far as to put these traitors in jail and confiscate their broken-down trucks, but I hope so. And if the truckers in the USA try this, I'm sure Biden and DC authorities will know what to do with these greedy crooks and tyrants.
You're pretty boy governor is much wealthier than me. The President, the Speaker of the House and the current Senate leader are all much wealthier than me too. Trudeau looks as pretty as you're governor don't you think and he's probably just as rich as him too. So, who's interests are you really serving dude? I assume that you're getting a piece of the action too.
Like I've said, you have to be able to raise the bar higher than you're used to when speaking to typical Liberal voters when speaking to American voters like me. I don't know if you know but Americans like Us are all pretty smart. We aren't all good writers or public speakers or politicians but we are all pretty smart and confident in ourselves and our capabilities pertaining to whatever it is that we do for a living. Hint, we do just about everything there is to do for a living these days. The American truckers are just some of Us but their message and their cause are supported by millions of Us. Personally speaking, I don't think fucking with the country that you are living in and reliant upon is a good idea but whatever you're supposed to be smarter than Us so what do I know and who gives a shit and no one cares right.
Wealth itself is not the whole story, silly boy. Politicians who are willing to act to reduce the wealth gaps are the ones I support, not which ones are pretty. You support politicians who want to increase the wealth gaps and extend poverty.
You guys may be quite capable of carrying on your own personal business. You are dumb about politics and society because you CHOOSE to be dumb about these things.
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I'm surprised about southern African abstensions.
Angola
Burundi
Congo
Madagascar
Mozambique
Namibia
South Africa
Uganda
Tanzania
Zimbabwe
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03-05-2022, 11:55 PM
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Zelensky calls for establishment of no-fly zone and harsher Russian sanctions in call with US lawmakers
From CNN's Suzanne Malveaux, Jeff Zeleny, Kevin Liptak and Kaitlan Collins
Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky called on the United States for assistance in establishing a no-fly zone over Ukraine during a Zoom call with US lawmakers, according to a person familiar with the session.
Zelensky asked US senators for greater sanctions on Russia, including on energy, and for more military assistance directed to Ukrainian forces. He thanked the US for the support it has delivered so far, but his overall message was that his country needs more help as it strains against Russia's invasion.
Another senator on the call said that Zelensky advocated for banning Russian oil imports, suspending all commercial transactions — like Visa and Mastercard — and implored the lawmakers to help Ukraine get more planes that Ukrainian pilots are trained in and can fly. He said they would do the fighting and flying, but he needs the aircraft.
The call, which started at about 9:30 a.m., ET, lasted an hour.
At the end of the call, dozens of lawmakers unmuted themselves to thank Zelensky and voice their support, with some saying “Slava Ukraini,” according to someone who was on the call who said the Ukrainian president was clearly moved by the gesture.
His message was delivered amid ongoing conversations between the US and European allies about the possibility of providing Ukraine with fighter jet aircrafts from Eastern European countries, five sources familiar with the discussions told CNN.
Officials say there is a divide among countries about whether or not individual nations should provide Ukraine aircraft, given the associated risks. The US and NATO oppose creating a no-fly zone in Ukraine — such a move, they have warned, could lead to "full-fledged war in Europe." Russian President Vladimir Putin said Saturday that countries that impose such a no-fly zone would be considered to be participating in the conflict.
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukr...7a28047547
Zelensky seems right to me. Not about the headline, but about what's in the article. He is asking for assistance to Ukraine in its own establishment of a no-fly zone. He needs airplanes. Otherwise the Russians have carte blanche for reducing Ukrainian cities to ruins, just like Putin and Assad did in Syria, it seems to me.
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukr...7a28047547
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(03-02-2022, 08:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: It should be added, that in the event of a NATO war with Russia, that all other countries with which the USA is allied must join the anti-Russian alliance as well, including Japan, South Korea, Austrailia, New Zealand, Israel, etc., and that the USA also declare war on all countries allied with Russia, such as Belarus, Syria, North Korea, Eritrea, etc. with full attacks on all of them as well.
UN vote today to condemn Russia:
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So is this our list of the new '1st/2nd/3rd world'?
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(03-05-2022, 02:13 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (03-04-2022, 12:26 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Canada has been one of the better countries. It does have the neoliberal trend common to English-speaking countries that has held us all backward and served the interests of the rich and greedy like you, Classic Xer. Trudeau has done well in suppressing the nazi truckers who not only shut down economies for three weeks, but who also constantly and brutally tyrannize our highways by making it dangerous for real people to drive on them without taking our lives into our hands. Big money made sure to take down our trains that would free us from this trucker tyranny. Fools like you Classic Xer believe prejudiced, racist propaganda that protesters against wanton police murder and violence are rioters, while ignoring the economic terrorism that these stupid conspiracy theory believers have imposed upon us because they refuse to consider the needs of anyone but themselves and their brutal regime. Thank goodness Prime Minister Trudeau stood up for law and democracy and took these criminals and their sabotage off the streets. I don't know if he went so far as to put these traitors in jail and confiscate their broken-down trucks, but I hope so. And if the truckers in the USA try this, I'm sure Biden and DC authorities will know what to do with these greedy crooks and tyrants.
You're pretty boy governor is much wealthier than me. The President, the Speaker of the House and the current Senate leader are all much wealthier than me too. Trudeau looks as pretty as you're governor don't you think and he's probably just as rich as him too. So, who's interests are you really serving dude? I assume that you're getting a piece of the action too.
Like I've said, you have to be able to raise the bar higher than you're used to when speaking to typical Liberal voters when speaking to American voters like me. I don't know if you know but Americans like Us are all pretty smart. We aren't all good writers or public speakers or politicians but we are all pretty smart and confident in ourselves and our capabilities pertaining to whatever it is that we do for a living. Hint, we do just about everything there is to do for a living these days. The American truckers are just some of Us but their message and their cause are supported by millions of Us. Personally speaking, I don't think fucking with the country that you are living in and reliant upon is a good idea but whatever you're supposed to be smarter than Us so what do I know and who gives a shit and no one cares right.
Wealth itself is not the whole story, silly boy. Politicians who are willing to act to reduce the wealth gaps are the ones I support, not which ones are pretty. You support politicians who want to increase the wealth gaps and extend poverty.
You guys may be quite capable of carrying on your own personal business. You are dumb about politics and society because you CHOOSE to be dumb about these things.
How much personal wealth are Joe, Nancy, Chuck, Hilary, Barack, AOC, Maxine and Newsom willing to part with/give away these days? I'm sure they're all willing to say that they're willing to act to reduce the gap between them and those below them to gain/retain their political support but how many of them are actually giving away the bulk of they're wealth to those below them these days. I mean, shouldn't they be doing that right now instead of waiting for a national consensus. Barack is worth a hundred million and he owns several high end properties here and abroad and his college aged daughters are already set to become rich woman without accomplishing anything by themselves and pretty much set for the rest of their lives.
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(03-05-2022, 11:55 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Zelensky calls for establishment of no-fly zone and harsher Russian sanctions in call with US lawmakers
From CNN's Suzanne Malveaux, Jeff Zeleny, Kevin Liptak and Kaitlan Collins
Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky called on the United States for assistance in establishing a no-fly zone over Ukraine during a Zoom call with US lawmakers, according to a person familiar with the session.
Zelensky asked US senators for greater sanctions on Russia, including on energy, and for more military assistance directed to Ukrainian forces. He thanked the US for the support it has delivered so far, but his overall message was that his country needs more help as it strains against Russia's invasion.
Another senator on the call said that Zelensky advocated for banning Russian oil imports, suspending all commercial transactions — like Visa and Mastercard — and implored the lawmakers to help Ukraine get more planes that Ukrainian pilots are trained in and can fly. He said they would do the fighting and flying, but he needs the aircraft.
The call, which started at about 9:30 a.m., ET, lasted an hour.
At the end of the call, dozens of lawmakers unmuted themselves to thank Zelensky and voice their support, with some saying “Slava Ukraini,” according to someone who was on the call who said the Ukrainian president was clearly moved by the gesture.
His message was delivered amid ongoing conversations between the US and European allies about the possibility of providing Ukraine with fighter jet aircrafts from Eastern European countries, five sources familiar with the discussions told CNN.
Officials say there is a divide among countries about whether or not individual nations should provide Ukraine aircraft, given the associated risks. The US and NATO oppose creating a no-fly zone in Ukraine — such a move, they have warned, could lead to "full-fledged war in Europe." Russian President Vladimir Putin said Saturday that countries that impose such a no-fly zone would be considered to be participating in the conflict.
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukr...7a28047547
Zelensky seems right to me. Not about the headline, but about what's in the article. He is asking for assistance to Ukraine in its own establishment of a no-fly zone. He needs airplanes. Otherwise the Russians have carte blanche for reducing Ukrainian cities to ruins, just like Putin and Assad did in Syria, it seems to me.
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukr...7a28047547
Who is calling the shots, Putin or Us and our NATO allies? Why are a bunch of world leaders including our own leader still allowing Putin to call all the shots and continue making the rules for them to abide by these days? So far, the only strong world leaders that I see are Zelenskyy and Putin and Boris Johnson to a lesser extent. So, why are we paying for NATO and the UN to do nothing as civilians are being murdered in Ukraine and why are we paying for Biden to lounge around at home and rest while civilians are being cut off from all necessities needed to sustain live. Everyone's worried about upsetting Putin and increasing the risk of a larger war with Russia as if Russia was as powerful as it was during the Cold War. This is as much of a judgement of the Blues aka Liberals as it is a judgement of Putin himself and the country Putin and the system Putin and the Liberals represent today.
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(03-06-2022, 03:55 AM)nguyenivy Wrote: (03-02-2022, 08:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: It should be added, that in the event of a NATO war with Russia, that all other countries with which the USA is allied must join the anti-Russian alliance as well, including Japan, South Korea, Austrailia, New Zealand, Israel, etc., and that the USA also declare war on all countries allied with Russia, such as Belarus, Syria, North Korea, Eritrea, etc. with full attacks on all of them as well.
UN vote today to condemn Russia:
So is this our list of the new '1st/2nd/3rd world'?
No, it's not the new list of the new 1st/2nd/3rd world, it's a list of who is more reliant upon who and who feels more comfortable with who in charge or winning the war in Ukraine. Biden is in no condition to be a war leader which is why Biden has taken the position he's taken so far which is to stay out of the conflict as much as possible and leave the fighting to others. You didn't listen to Us so you get to watch thousands of Ukrainian civilians be murdered. Are you going to watch and learn from your mistake or ignore and say things about Trump like a Liberal piece of shit? Like I said dude, your life is now on the line and you would be wise to pull your head out of your ass and start thinking about what we can do to stop the slaughter of civilians in Ukraine. All options should be on the table and should've have been on the table the whole time. So, what's in for Biden? Why did Biden empower Putin, why did Biden quickly remove a military response as an option and make it easy for Putin to invade Ukraine?
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(03-06-2022, 04:21 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: No, it's not the new list of the new 1st/2nd/3rd world, it's a list of who is more reliant upon who and who feels more comfortable with who in charge or winning the war in Ukraine.
I view it more as a cusp of the Industrial and Information Age. Are we going to seek power and influence by invading, or are we organizing reasons to make conquest unprofitable. Putin is going with violence. Biden and many others are going with various ways of making the violence unprofitable. I would note that both might achieve their ends, that Russia could end up in charge of the Ukraine for a time, but that the end result wouldn't be profitable for Putin and Russia. The way it is going, nothing will be profitable in Russia while Putin is a dominant player. He has essentially committed himself to his path.
The list above reflects more the governments that have tried violence lately opposing those who would end it.
Trump is going much the same way. Do we want to select governments by insurrection, or try a republic, "If we can keep it."
Of course, you are the token big fan of violence, who is too chicken to actually use it.
Meanwhile, want to buy a super yacht cheap?
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Well, here we are - finally, and sadly - in what appears to be a total war.
So much for the farcical fascism in the West (among far-rightists, I mean), this time around, with all its asterisks, and caveats, winks and nods - this is real people dying, day by day, hour by hour, in a naked war of aggression by a latter day, far-right despot with archaic designs on a sovereign, neighboring country (in Europe, I'll add, and also a fledgling democracy).
You hate to do Star Wars analogies, but here we have the sequels, both somehow smaller than the originals, and yet still in some sense actually more (maybe?) terrifying. Hitler didn't have nukes, after all. The First Order can literally destroy multiple planets in an afternoon. Putin can kill us all.
So, fascism, the awful but maybe inevitable sequel.
And just to say there was limited will for a fight before 12.7.41 (here, I mean), and the Civil War was going to end in a few weeks or months, and lots of people (ie Americans) signed up at first to fight...the Americans in the Revolution (before switching sides, same thing as in the border state of the Civil War).
Go ahead and defend Russia, I guess (I say this just to put it out there) - you have the First Amendment on your side. But here's guessing history isn't on your side.
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(03-06-2022, 06:31 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (03-06-2022, 04:21 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: No, it's not the new list of the new 1st/2nd/3rd world, it's a list of who is more reliant upon who and who feels more comfortable with who in charge or winning the war in Ukraine.
I view it more as a cusp of the Industrial and Information Age. Are we going to seek power and influence by invading, or are we organizing reasons to make conquest unprofitable. Putin is going with violence. Biden and many others are going with various ways of making the violence unprofitable. I would note that both might achieve their ends, that Russia could end up in charge of the Ukraine for a time, but that the end result wouldn't be profitable for Putin and Russia. The way it is going, nothing will be profitable in Russia while Putin is a dominant player. He has essentially committed himself to his path.
The list above reflects more the governments that have tried violence lately opposing those who would end it.
Trump is going much the same way. Do we want to select governments by insurrection, or try a republic, "If we can keep it."
Of course, you are the token big fan of violence, who is too chicken to actually use it.
Meanwhile, want to buy a super yacht cheap?
Putin's not in it for profit at this point. If he was in it for profit at this point, he wouldn't be leveling costly cities and destroying costly infrastructure. Putin is in it to make a statement to the world and make an example of Ukraine. If he can't have it or change the leadership, he's going to destroy as much of Ukraine as possible and leave behind an impression that won't be forgotten or overcome for a generation or two. This is the reason why we can't allow him to continue destroying stuff unabated or simply allow him to go back to the way things were before he invaded Ukraine. No, Putin is going to have to pay the ultimate price. Putin's army in Ukraine is going to have to be decimated. In other words, we have to completely turn it around on Putin and place Putin in the position losing everything and leave a similar impression in the mind of whoever replaces him and the next generation of Russian officers.
The Democrats are always afraid of escalation to the point of becoming a detriment. We have a couple generations of Cold War kids who lived with the possibility being nuked every day. So, what's the difference today? I'm not a fan of violence. I understand that there are times when violence is necessary and I'm not opposed to the use of violence to end violence and prevent further violence. Like it or not, the world is going to have to dig down deep and find some courage and deal with Putin appropriately. Thanks to you and the others, we don't have a strong war leader/world leader in office. We have Gumby and Humpty Dumpty as his backup.
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(03-07-2022, 02:47 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The Democrats are always afraid of escalation to the point of becoming a detriment. We have a couple generations of Cold War kids who lived with the possibility being nuked every day. So, what's the difference today? I'm not a fan of violence. I understand that there are times when violence is necessary and I'm not opposed to the use of violence to end violence and prevent further violence. Like it or not, the world is going to have to dig down deep and find some courage and deal with Putin appropriately. Thanks to you and the others, we don't have a strong war leader/world leader in office. We have Gumby and Humpty Dumpty as his backup.
During the Cold War, it was the Democrats who escalated in Korea and Vietnam. You ought to study American history. More recently the Republicans tried to use violence to secure Middle East oil and military basing. Didn't work out so well? What happened to the permanent bases and the world's biggest embassy complex? Got the US into the no boots on the ground mode? Maybe make that world history.
I could see NATO admitting the Ukraine as a full mutual defense ally in the face of a foreign invasion, or at least hinting at it or threatening it. If Europe's mood was eager to join the violence, perhaps the US people would follow. Arming the Ukraine and setting up various foreign legions is starting in that direction. Declaring the Ukraine area a no fly zone for invaders might be the next step. It may come to something stronger. It depends on how much Putin wants to cling to the old Genghis / Napoleon / Hitler pattern.
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(03-06-2022, 02:50 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: How much personal wealth are Joe, Nancy, Chuck, Hillary, Barack, AOC, Maxine and Newsom willing to part with/give away these days? I'm sure they're all willing to say that they're willing to act to reduce the gap between them and those below them to gain/retain their political support but how many of them are actually giving away the bulk of they're wealth to those below them these days. I mean, shouldn't they be doing that right now instead of waiting for a national consensus? Barack is worth a hundred million and he owns several high end properties here and abroad and his college aged daughters are already set to become rich woman without accomplishing anything by themselves and pretty much set for the rest of their lives.
Your neoliberal, Reaganomics idea is that personal wealth should be the only thing to use to benefit those less fortunate. It is time to depart from your 41-year failed experiment. What counts now is how much in taxes they are willing to vote for, even if it means they have to pay more in taxes. You are not willing to pay more taxes to get protection from poverty for everyone of every class, nor to help Ukraine defend from today's Hitler. Those you mention and all the other liberals are willing. They are patriots; you and the Republicans who are opposed to and who block these taxes are fools and maybe traitors.
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(03-07-2022, 02:47 AM)lassic-Xer Wrote: (03-06-2022, 06:31 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (03-06-2022, 04:21 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: No, it's not the new list of the new 1st/2nd/3rd world, it's a list of who is more reliant upon who and who feels more comfortable with who in charge or winning the war in Ukraine.
I view it more as a cusp of the Industrial and Information Age. Are we going to seek power and influence by invading, or are we organizing reasons to make conquest unprofitable. Putin is going with violence. Biden and many others are going with various ways of making the violence unprofitable. I would note that both might achieve their ends, that Russia could end up in charge of the Ukraine for a time, but that the end result wouldn't be profitable for Putin and Russia. The way it is going, nothing will be profitable in Russia while Putin is a dominant player. He has essentially committed himself to his path.
The list above reflects more the governments that have tried violence lately opposing those who would end it.
Trump is going much the same way. Do we want to select governments by insurrection, or try a republic, "If we can keep it."
Of course, you are the token big fan of violence, who is too chicken to actually use it.
Meanwhile, want to buy a super yacht cheap?
Putin's not in it for profit at this point. If he was in it for profit at this point, he wouldn't be leveling costly cities and destroying costly infrastructure. Putin is in it to make a statement to the world and make an example of Ukraine. If he can't have it or change the leadership, he's going to destroy as much of Ukraine as possible and leave behind an impression that won't be forgotten or overcome for a generation or two. This is the reason why we can't allow him to continue destroying stuff unabated or simply allow him to go back to the way things were before he invaded Ukraine. No, Putin is going to have to pay the ultimate price. Putin's army in Ukraine is going to have to be decimated. In other words, we have to completely turn it around on Putin and place Putin in the position losing everything and leave a similar impression in the mind of whoever replaces him and the next generation of Russian officers.
Putin is a greedy a$$hole, a fact which President Biden knows well because he actually reads the President's Daily Briefing. Putin is also a vindictive bastard under a thin veneer
of civility and an extreme narcissist. With those vices well known, a wise leader can exploit those to the fullest when necessary. Trump thought he was doing well when both were in a contest of mutual flattery. That was impossible with Obama. You may be right about the anger. Putin calculated based on army sizes that Ukraine would be easy to take, perhaps setting up a pliable puppet as head of a national entity of shaky sovereignty.
It seems not to be working. Putin's one ally in Europe, Belarus, is shakier than is convenient for him. Mass rallies have occurred in Russia calling for an end to a war that does the Russian people no good. Martial glory isn't as much of a public appeal as it might have been in 1914. Have you ever read All Quiet on the Western Front? Things went very bad very fast, you should know.
Quote:The Democrats are always afraid of escalation to the point of becoming a detriment. We have a couple generations of Cold War kids who lived with the possibility being nuked every day. So, what's the difference today? I'm not a fan of violence. I understand that there are times when violence is necessary and I'm not opposed to the use of violence to end violence and prevent further violence. Like it or not, the world is going to have to dig down deep and find some courage and deal with Putin appropriately. Thanks to you and the others, we don't have a strong war leader/world leader in office. We have Gumby and Humpty Dumpty as his backup.
Escalation? No. Putin needs a quick victory that vindicates his crimes. Ukraine needs only to survive. The most effective wartime leader could be someone completely unsuited to leading troops in battle, like the cripple we had as President during the Pearl Harbor attack. The Ukrainian people are doing better than most people ever expected.
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(03-07-2022, 11:46 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Escalation? No. Putin needs a quick victory that vindicates his crimes. Ukraine needs only to survive. The most effective wartime leader could be someone completely unsuited to leading troops in battle, like the cripple we had as President during the Pearl Harbor attack. The Ukrainian people are doing better than most people ever expected.
You mean someone like Vladmir Zelenskyy or even Donald Trump. You do know that if Trump run again and wins big. He'll be entering office with experience and a clean slate and a sizable majority to boot. Yes, the Ukrainians are doing much better than expected, it's to bad we have a bunch of Democratic lightweights in charge who are clinging to their values and afraid to do anything out of the ordinary that could surprise and upset Putin at this point. So, why did it take several days for Biden to make a decision about Russian oil imports that should have been automatic and already imposed. I mean, it's not like we don't have the ability to ramp up oil production here. I know that would go against what Biden and the Liberals stand for these days but does that really matter to the bulk of the American people today. You do know that traditional/core American value are going to prevail right or do we need to fight another civil war with the Democrats to prove it? I saw a poll that more Republican voters would fight to defend America than Democratic voters today which sounds about right don't you think.
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If Trump is "re-elected," we will be living in an authoritarian state ruled by a lunatic and will be no different from Russia.
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I'm glad Biden took this step. I hope our allies can join us soon.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-plannin...1646746787
I wonder why it takes the individual decision by companies to not do business with Russia. I wonder why the government cannot apply an embargo on all commerce with Russia.
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(03-07-2022, 05:23 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (03-06-2022, 02:50 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: How much personal wealth are Joe, Nancy, Chuck, Hillary, Barack, AOC, Maxine and Newsom willing to part with/give away these days? I'm sure they're all willing to say that they're willing to act to reduce the gap between them and those below them to gain/retain their political support but how many of them are actually giving away the bulk of they're wealth to those below them these days. I mean, shouldn't they be doing that right now instead of waiting for a national consensus? Barack is worth a hundred million and he owns several high end properties here and abroad and his college aged daughters are already set to become rich woman without accomplishing anything by themselves and pretty much set for the rest of their lives.
Your neoliberal, Reaganomics idea is that personal wealth should be the only thing to use to benefit those less fortunate. It is time to depart from your 41-year failed experiment. What counts now is how much in taxes they are willing to vote for, even if it means they have to pay more in taxes. You are not willing to pay more taxes to get protection from poverty for everyone of every class, nor to help Ukraine defend from today's Hitler. Those you mention and all the other liberals are willing. They are patriots; you and the Republicans who are opposed to and who block these taxes are fools and maybe traitors.
I think the Blue politicians and their filthy rich donors prefer to continue using debt instead of their own money like they've been doing for the last 40 years. Actually, it's about 90 years if you go back to the beginning of modern time. It's not going to last but that doesn't seem matter to wealthy people who have direct access to private jets and private property outside the country. Do you really believe that your governor would stick around like Zelenskyy? I hope not for your sake. So, do you have a seat reserved on one of their private jets?
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(03-08-2022, 01:23 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: I'm glad Biden took this step. I hope our allies can join us soon.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-plannin...1646746787
I wonder why it takes the individual decision by companies to not do business with Russia. I wonder why the government cannot apply an embargo on all commerce with Russia.
It's to bad it took him a week to come around to making a decision that should've already been made a couple of weeks ago.
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03-08-2022, 02:52 PM
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(03-07-2022, 05:23 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If Trump is "re-elected," we will be living in an authoritarian state ruled by a lunatic and will be no different from Russia.
Trump wasn't like Putin or Biden for that matter. If Trump is elected, you'll be free to break with the American Union and become more like Russia or China or pre-Zelenskyy Ukraine or Venezuela or Cuba or Germany. The cool thing about Quasi Socialism in a way is that one doesn't really know what they're going to end up with/living under as far as the government is concerned until it's to late to do anything about it. I mean, how many German people would have voted for Hitler if they were about to see the final outcome of his election. How many British people would have voted for Chamberlain? Dude, you had the benefit of past history, a generational theory and you still elected Chamberlain/Hoover.
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