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Authoritarianism and American politics
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(01-21-2018, 06:21 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(01-23-2017, 03:12 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: The opposite. No Russian money, no NRA money, etc, etc.

Only tax payer funded candidates allowed.

The rumors of Russians spending money on the election are over blown and even if they did they probably spent it in favor of HRC in 2016 as she is a known intitity and thus predictable.  As of yet the only credible evidence is that some Russians bought some adds on Facebook.  So unless you want to ban ads on facebook (and thus their revenue stream) that isn't happening.

You have responded to a post from nearly a year ago. The problem isn't that the Russians bought ads on Facebook; the problem is that they deliberately misrepresented themselves. I would not have a problem with Exxon-Mobil, or even Toyota buying advertising space for promoting their political agenda -- so long as they make clear who they are. I expect an apartment owner to warn tenants that if the millage increases, then so will rents. Cheap rent or better schools -- take your pick. But as a rule, I prefer that those who buy the ads disclose themselves and hence the sources of the ads. The Russians who put in the advertising pretended to be Americans. American election laws prohibit foreigners from making campaign contributions that include the purchase of advertising.

Speaking of the Narodni Rifle Association... ahem, officially National Rifle Association... it apparently served to funnel funds from Russian oligarchs and mobsters into the Trump campaign and the GOP in general. This is a recent exposure.

Quote:The rest of it will result in only establishment candidates being presented unless an insanely rich person is driven to run for president or other office through self-funding.

For someone who yells loudly about being anti-authoritarian and anti-totalitarian this policy would result in  both an authoritarian and totalitarian government.  I'm unsure if this is due to a lack of self-awareness, paranoia or a more basic ignorance of the law of unintended consequences.

Thankfully we usually don't write laws on the whims of the ignorant, unaware or mentally ill, well, unless one lives in Commiefornia. Tongue

The nexus between big money and politics has developed to the point that for all practical purposes, lobbyists now run Congress. Government by lobbyist is a novel form of undemocratic rule.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(01-21-2018, 02:36 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: You have responded to a post from nearly a year ago.

Irrelvant. Though I have noticed that even Alphabet has dropped off the forum. Perhaps he's embarassed himself enough with his #NeverTrump agenda.

Quote:American election laws prohibit foreigners from making campaign contributions that include the purchase of advertising.

Not quite. American election laws prohibit foreigners from making contributions to campaigns and purchasing ads for campaigns. Foreigners are free to advertise their political agenda all they want provided they don't touch the campaign. It is a loophole that the Democrats have used before too.

Quote:Speaking of the Narodni Rifle Association... ahem, officially National Rifle Association... it apparently served to funnel funds from Russian oligarchs and mobsters into the Trump campaign and the GOP in general. This is a recent exposure.

Citation needed. Oh wait...there isn't one because if there was the MSM would be screaming about it from the roof tops.

Quote:The nexus between big money and politics has developed to the point that for all practical purposes, lobbyists now run Congress. Government by lobbyist is a novel form of undemocratic rule.

I agree which is why Trump self-funded (with some aid from small donations and merch sales) (besides the fact he could) and why HRC was largely bought and paid for by large dollar donors and only was interested in making speeches if she could get at least 1 Million from doing so. Only the rich have the cash to waste in that manner.
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(01-21-2018, 10:43 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 02:36 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The nexus between big money and politics has developed to the point that for all practical purposes,  lobbyists now run Congress. Government by lobbyist is a novel form of undemocratic rule.

I agree which is why Trump self-funded (with some aid from small donations and merch sales) (besides the fact he could) and why HRC was largely bought and paid for by large dollar donors and only was interested in making speeches if she could get at least 1 Million from doing so.  Only the rich have the cash to waste in that manner.

I should assume you're joking, but on the off chance you're not, where do you get this idea? Trump has been the biggest shill in the nation's history, and has handed the keys to the government to private interests almost exclusively. I'm no Hillary fan, but she pales in comparison.

Government has been broken every since Saint Ronald declared that the government is the problem. Assuming Trump gets 8 year, we may be nearing the point where it will be fully privatized. Let's see how you like high fees but lower taxes. I suspect the out of pocket cost will grow dramatically. The PPP that expanded I-66 in NoVA has "congestion pricing" on its tolls that can run as high as $40 for a one-way ride home from work ... no viable alternative available.
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(01-22-2018, 12:37 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 10:43 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(01-21-2018, 02:36 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: The nexus between big money and politics has developed to the point that for all practical purposes,  lobbyists now run Congress. Government by lobbyist is a novel form of undemocratic rule.

I agree which is why Trump self-funded (with some aid from small donations and merch sales) (besides the fact he could) and why HRC was largely bought and paid for by large dollar donors and only was interested in making speeches if she could get at least 1 Million from doing so.  Only the rich have the cash to waste in that manner.

I should assume you're joking, but on the off chance you're not, where do you get this idea?  Trump has been the biggest shill in the nation's history, and has handed the keys to the government to private interests almost exclusively.  I'm no Hillary fan, but she pales in comparison.

Government has been broken every since Saint Ronald declared that the government is the problem.   Assuming Trump gets 8 year, we may be nearing the point where it will be fully privatized.  Let's see how you like high fees but lower taxes.  I suspect the out of pocket cost will grow dramatically.  The PPP that expanded I-66 in NoVA has "congestion pricing" on its tolls that can run as high as $40 for a one-way ride home from work ... no viable alternative available.

I can think of alternatives -- staying at a motel overnight, or staying at work until 7PM or so. Neither is good for family life, especially if one has a spouse who assumes that instead of commuting in a traffic jam you are playing hide the salami with the cute secretary or that steamy hunk in the office.

Note that monopoly pricing ordinarily approaches the cost of some expensive alternative. Unregulated monopoly  under the control of rapacious plutocrats or unfeeling bureaucrats is a harsh way to run things.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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