Will McCain Death, Midterms & Legal Scandals Finally Be Enough?

[TheNomad]

I'm urged to speak!  I do not usually go into partisanism and I still do not think this comment IS partisan. 

HOW can a man that evaded Vietnam who then doubted the heroism and made fun the capture IN that war of a Senator -- how could such a person EVER have become president?  I'm shocked and horrified.  I continue to be.

EDIT: I meant above if unclear, the current president actually insulted McCain for "getting captured" -- John McCain suffered massive torture and was returned alive, then became a prominent Senator.  He didn't impregnate women while attached assets paid their silence.  Or whatever.  While I'm in this edit, it brings me to remembering the documentary "Born Rich".  You probably will not be able to find it anywhere unless you are a pirate (I'm shocked it is actually on youtube now!).  The president's daughter gives a really nice anecdote which revealed a wonderful insight into her dad.  The documentary is like from turn of the century I think.  No one knew.  It's a documentary about rich kids.

She said: "My dad was doing bankruptcy, and there was this man kind of sitting against the wall outside my dad's building, I think he was homeless, and my dad pointed to that man and said ''that guy has Eight Million Dollars more than I do right now'."

https://youtu.be/Y5h8Sncv3Pk

For a person like this to ever be a national figure anywhere is like a festering boil.  For him to be OUR national figure is even worse.

HOWEVER,

The S&H texts IMO teach us to look for signals in MOOD SHIFT.  I sense a looming public mood shift...... a mood that was present with utter disbelief at the political process which allowed the current president to occupy that office..... but may finally be ready to go to outright WAR with this man and everything he is in the very near future.

Since I have never ranted about this before, I should indulge.

It is my firm belief that the "Mafioso" element present in America in the early 20th century (but which existed throughout America's history in many forms) is now culminating in the current president and all attached to him.  The current president is as something which crawled from the sewer but demands a crown.  He disgusts me as hardly anything does.  I cannot look at his face nor listen to his voice for any reason. 

I believe if the man himself were not so utterly repulsive, I could at least stretch my imagination to understand why others may back him.  However, I am unable to do that.  There was an article recently headlined something "NOW THEY STAB IN THE FRONT".  The story was about how the current administration has brought such a violent fervor to the office that all those involved no longer plot secretly to screw each other over (or anyone) they do it right to the person's face.  The article said "it is more personal that way".

We have now reached a point not just of disagreement and strong opposing beliefs............ it is no longer about trying to bring down your enemy............. it is about killing your enemy, shitting on their grave and desecrating their memory for all time (if they can).

This filth can and will stop.  I am only seriously hoping and meditating on ALL who read this that we can get through it and pass to the other side alive.

Ready Player One: "People just stopped trying to fix problems and just started trying to outlive them."  <---- I will not be that person. 

FUCK that.

[Eric the Green]

I heard that Ivanka quote before. Ivanka may be a lady of destiny, according to her horoscope score of 16-2 (Daddy's is only 9-4). Will she rescue the Trump Dynasty after her father's inevitable crash? Will she be a first turning figure who as president calms people down after the turmoil and makes the privileges of the wealthy few who rule us seem acceptable again for a while? Will she be the human face of Trumpism in the future?

Meanwhile, I can't help hearing Daddy's voice when he was running for president. Was McCain a hero? "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured, OK? I hate to tell you"
https://youtu.be/541Cg2Jnb8s
And now he doesn't keep the flag at half mast, and refuses to call him a hero.

McCain was a hero because he endured torture without giving the enemy what it wanted. I say also, that the people who protested the war in Vietnam, like John Kerry, were heroes too. They knew the war was unjust, and killed people unnecessarily. How do you ask a man to be the last to die for a mistake? https://youtu.be/yixdveuf0GQ

Here they are, Kerry describing how they found common ground. It's relevant, and a good example how we can come together.
https://youtu.be/HGe5hhOmH7s

We are now in a time of conflict, with both of these guys not supportive of the orange terror who has seized the White House. It's a time where we see the other side in America as the enemy, not just the foreign enemies. Trump must be brought down and his party crushed if we are to move forward, get past this turmoil and emerge into a new time described by Cameron Kasky.
https://youtu.be/s7L1jFog8zE?t=3m09s
https://youtu.be/MU6xKZ8lbtY
And it's about many issues; our corrupt system that exists to boost a few and screw over everyone else, including the environment and our safety too.

With the diverse, aware and concerned millennial generation joined to the best side of the boomers and Xers, we can get there through activism and elections. Let the reactionaries be the violent rebels when they think we're a comin' fer they-ar guns. We must take control of the system and institute the reforms we need, and then we can put down those who are likely to violently resist us. Let them be the violent fighters; we can be the non-violent ones. It will take a lot of activism to win, because the system is now stacked against us. It will take more than a majority to do this. We are the cure!

https://youtu.be/KAyLYB81zJY

I haven't done a horoscope score for Matt Post yet, but I look forward to his presidency!

George Carlin said it best, though! The challenge of this 4T is to overthrow from power the real owners of our society, and retrieve the American Dream.

[TheNomad]

do you just add day of month and month number? What does it mean? Higher number is better? wtf lol

i like orange terror. i can laugh at it, but have never been so sickened and un-wanting to even know what is happening in any news.

[Eric the Green]

(08-28-2018, 03:08 AM)TheNomad Wrote: do you just add day of month and month number?  What does it mean?  Higher number is better?  wtf lol

i like orange terror.  i can laugh at it, but have never been so sickened and un-wanting to even know what is happening in any news.

You saw my article, didn't you? Posted here numerous times. It's favorable vs. unfavorable aspects* in the charts of any candidate or possible candidate, based on the aspects in the horoscopes of everyone who ever ran for president, and how they did.

*angles between planets, Sun and Moon

http://philosopherswheel.com/presidentialelections.html

We agree about the orange terror in the big house. It's worse and more unbelievable than the Twilight Zone.

[Galen]

(08-28-2018, 03:08 AM)TheNomad Wrote: do you just add day of month and month number?  What does it mean?  Higher number is better?  wtf lol

i like orange terror.  i can laugh at it, but have never been so sickened and un-wanting to even know what is happening in any news.

This is Eric the Obtuse so don't really expect him to make any sense.  His knowledge of science gets about as far as the seventeenth-century when astrology, which gave us astronomy, was cutting edge research.  The astronomy was useful, astrology not so much.  Now if his knowledge of economics was on par with the Spanish Scholastics of the seventeenth century then he would actually know something useful for a change.

The McCain worship is a bit of a surprise since he is possibly the biggest war monger in Congress and for at least the last twenty years has backed all of the the biggest foreign policy mistakes John Bolton and the Shrub could dream up not to mention Obozo's continuation of these mistakes.  Personally, I am glad he is no longer in the Senate and I think Tom Woods summed up his career quite nicely.  The Boomers were shouting "Make Love not War" when I was a kid and then when they were safely past military service age it became "Make War not Love".  At least McCain had the decency to get shot at first before becoming a complete war monger which more than I can say for Eric the Obtuse.

[TheNomad]

Omg he used laissez faire against Eric.  I'm so freaking dying right now thank you.

Polysci120
Ploysci122

Lets all do the pre reqs before throwing academic acorns (lmao)

I also love u accused him of teaching out dated knowledge while u quote Ludwig von Moses

My question being DO you have an Orange Crush?  Like... A man one for the occupier?

I think anyone who fought in a war deserves to be called a hero.  Doesn't matter what u did in it. That is the way we process the violence of war and sanctify it.

Only gutter trash who probably neither fought in it nor protested it (totally doesn't care) would even introduce a questioning of someone who fought for a cause they believed was right.

I mean, what kind of human or claiming to be that will use every knife no matter how ugly and morose to achieve some business/political end against someone else?  

I know nothing of McCain's political past really but I think everyone should at least leave a persons military record alone.  To use that tactic is exactly where that man is from and where he exists.  Very low.

This thread is asking IS this McCain death and all it entails for the mans current situation.... Is this going to finally be a catalyst?  For people to really be like std are you and we want you out and want nothing you stand for.

[pbrower2a]

(08-27-2018, 09:14 PM)TheNomad Wrote: I'm urged to speak!  I do not usually go into partisanism and I still do not think this comment IS partisan. 

HOW can a man that evaded Vietnam who then doubted the heroism and made fun the capture IN that war of a Senator -- how could such a person EVER have become president?  I'm shocked and horrified.  I continue to be.

When the GIs were the most powerful generation of adults, military service (or at least some simulation of such) was a near-prerequisite for holding a responsible position in business, media, elective office, or academia. Those who have gone through it and not be scarred have learned that words do not mean as much as results, that excuses are admissions of failure, that hardship builds character as even learning doesn't, that one must transcend personal tragedy and loss, and, above all else, that war is never a triviality. Think of their predecessors in the Civic role that we know about, Jefferson's Republican and Grant's Gilded generations. War veterans knew how dangerous and destructive war could be. That might not be a huge difference between War Hero JFK and draft-dodger Bill Clinton, but it was certainly a difference between War hero JFK and draft-dodger Donald Trump.

Yet John McCain came close to the Presidency in 2000, and might have had it not been for the 'black baby' pseudo-scandal (the child was not black, and was not the result of a tryst by John McCain), but it was something that the slimy Karl Rove (whose name I have frequently twisted into "Karl Rogue") offered in the South Carolina primary as red meat to racists. Had Karl Rogue -- excuse me, Karl Rove -- not done so, would John McCain have become President, and would he have been a better President than Dubya? Probably, I think he would have used the available intelligence to preempt the 9-11 attack with raids on the Bad Guys before they had a chance to strike. I also think he would have never promoted the real-estate bubble that eventually imploded. Our politics and economic life would be different, Obama or not. He got burned in the Keating 5 scandal of the 1980s and would have not been burned a second time.

He would have had troubles as President because of the time, but quite possibly America would be more ready for Obama -- and would have given Obama more of a political chance. Maybe Obama would be the Gray Champion instead of at most a partial portent of what follows Donald Trump. As an ex-President McCain would have been in a position in which to tell the ruthless and reckless in his Party to shut up about the birther nonsense. So maybe because he would not sign off on predatory lending we would not have what passed as a boom, and we would have had to resort to investments in plant and equipment to solve our problems. Maybe he would not have gotten the dubious stimulus of wars in southwest Asia (Iraq and Afghanistan). He would not, as Dubya to a lesser extent and Trump to a major extent, have seen Vladimir Putin as a trustworthy partner. He knew that as a KGB man, Putin would have to prove his desirability as a partner through actions instead of promises.

But I also presume that he would be a two-term President as Dubya was in reality. A one-term President? Then maybe we get a weak one-term Democrat as President and then Bush. Jeb Bush. Alternative history is interesting, but it is ultimately futile.

Quote:EDIT: I meant above if unclear, the current president actually insulted McCain for "getting captured" -- John McCain suffered massive torture and was returned alive, then became a prominent Senator.  He didn't impregnate women while attached assets paid their silence.  Or whatever.  While I'm in this edit, it brings me to remembering the documentary "Born Rich".  You probably will not be able to find it anywhere unless you are a pirate (I'm shocked it is actually on youtube now!).  The president's daughter gives a really nice anecdote which revealed a wonderful insight into her dad.  The documentary is like from turn of the century I think.  No one knew.  It's a documentary about rich kids.

She said: "My dad was doing bankruptcy, and there was this man kind of sitting against the wall outside my dad's building, I think he was homeless, and my dad pointed to that man and said ''that guy has Eight Million Dollars more than I do right now'."

https://youtu.be/Y5h8Sncv3Pk

For a person like this to ever be a national figure anywhere is like a festering boil.  For him to be OUR national figure is even worse.

I can never and will never measure up to Donald Trump in assets. But outmatching him in basic decency? Even I can do that  -- and I have Asperger's syndrome which implies that I must simulate empathy and human decency even if such does not come naturally. But this said, we all become what we do. As it is with being a competent pianist, one practices with the E-major scale so that one transforms oneself from being a pianist with difficulty  with music with four sharps in a major scale to being one with proficiency in music in the key of E major.

I could never be a good soldier as John McCain was because Asperger's would probably make me 4-F because it makes me too rigid in thought to turn on a dime as must a soldier. This said, I would know war from perhaps All Quiet on the Western Front, book and movie. War is an unmitigated disaster for anyone killed or crippled in it -- or consigned to a a prison in which the KGB serves as consultants on how to attack the weaknesses of POWs.

For all my troubles, I do not see myself as 'lesser' than someone with eight million dollars (inflation-adjusted or otherwise) who makes his money in a sordid or disreputable manner, whether it is in business deals that hurt customers after making wild promises of the deal greatly improving the lives of those customers or enticing young and vulnerable people into doing porno (the suicide rate among people in the pornography business is more obscene than any images possible).

I have plenty of respect for some recent immigrant from Vietnam who gets his family to set up a restaurant or car-repair place that depends upon offering good food or good vehicle maintenance at modest costs in the interstices of a bureaucratic-capitalist economy than I do someone who makes easy money through crony capitalism.

Quote:HOWEVER,

The S&H texts IMO teach us to look for signals in MOOD SHIFT.  I sense a looming public mood shift...... a mood that was present with utter disbelief at the political process which allowed the current president to occupy that office..... but may finally be ready to go to outright WAR with this man and everything he is in the very near future.

Since I have never ranted about this before, I should indulge.

It is my firm belief that the "Mafioso" element present in America in the early 20th century (but which existed throughout America's history in many forms) is now culminating in the current president and all attached to him.  The current president is as something which crawled from the sewer but demands a crown.  He disgusts me as hardly anything does.  I cannot look at his face nor listen to his voice for any reason. 

I believe if the man himself were not so utterly repulsive, I could at least stretch my imagination to understand why others may back him.  However, I am unable to do that.  There was an article recently headlined something "NOW THEY STAB IN THE FRONT".  The story was about how the current administration has brought such a violent fervor to the office that all those involved no longer plot secretly to screw each other over (or anyone) they do it right to the person's face.  The article said "it is more personal that way".

We have now reached a point not just of disagreement and strong opposing beliefs............ it is no longer about trying to bring down your enemy............. it is about killing your enemy, shitting on their grave and desecrating their memory for all time (if they can).

This filth can and will stop.  I am only seriously hoping and meditating on ALL who read this that we can get through it and pass to the other side alive.

Ready Player One: "People just stopped trying to fix problems and just started trying to outlive them."  <---- I will not be that person. 

For decades, the mobster was the model of the success that came at a destructive price for anyone who responds as is predictable to what Mario Puzo put it, "I made him an offer that he couldn't refuse". It was a raw deal, but somehow it worked. In debt for gambling? Be a drug courier or induce your daughter into pornography or prostitution -- or embezzle from your employer.

Like you, I cannot stand to listen to him. He reminds me of people that I have dealt with -- extreme narcissists who border on sociopathy -- that I have usually avoided. His shtick reminds me of the late comedian Don Rickles, whose comedy routine I could listen to only for a short time and could excuse because he deflated egos in Hollywood and Washington who needed to be cut down to size if those people were to recover some humanity. Trump applies his offensive barbs to people who do not deserve such. I would never dream of insulting someone who had endured the nastiness of the "Hanoi Hilton" or who had lost a son in a war by trivializing the horror. There are sacred decencies, and even those who must act to seem normal know what those are. It is part of the stage act that we all play.

The deficiencies of this President will demonstrate what is necessary for the next President, lest the Crisis of 2020 go as badly for us as perhaps the Crisis of 1940 went for Germany and Japan. Consider this: one scenario that I imagine is that America goes so bad that the Crisis of 2020 inverts the Good Guys and Bad Guys of World War II. (I have contemplated writing a novel, alternative history, in which such happened... a KKK-dominated America faces a non-Nazi Germany and a Japan that becomes a pluralistic democracy with Japanese characteristics.  



In such an inverted world, an iconic image analogous to this appears in mass consciousness, but the mountain is Mauna Loa instead of Mount Suribachi, and the flag is the Rising Sun. Hawaii is an attractive place for Japanese and American tourists--  but for the last seventy years, Americans have needed a passport to visit Hawaii, and Japanese tourists haven't.   The music of German celebrations is that of the great German composer Gustav Mahler, (because he was Jewish his music was banned in Nazi Germany... but in this inverted world,





this fits a militarized society (even if it has the pretext of a Crisis-era war)  that has no tolerance for religious bigotry. Mahler -- too Jewish for Nazi Germany, and too German for the Allies, would fit an anti-fascist Germany and be a supreme insult of the Klan. A bunch of people with the titles of Imperial Wizard and Grand Dragon who survive the war are tried for war crimes and crimes against Humanity and die dangling at the ends of ropes.


As the line of the Christmas carol penned during the American Civil War says, "The Wrong shall fail/the Right prevail". Evil is usually a losing proposition due to its cruelty and destructiveness. Or from the same time -- as the story goes, during the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln was asked if God was on his side. He replied, "Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right."

Were I a religious person, I would conclude that God was on the side of FDR and Sir Winston Churchill, finding slavery, plunder, and religious persecutions abominations to His Will.

OK -- the Klan is not the problem now. We endure fascism in its baby steps today much as the Italians did in 1922 or 1923. But Italian fascism, however milder than the monstrosities that emerged in Germany and Japan, morphed into a nightmare so bad that the Italian people largely saw the Allies as liberators.

The Wrong shall fail/the Right prevail...

[TheNomad]

I am fascinated by your American/Japanese ideas. The movie Cloud Atlas really introduced me to that concept. Everyone (in that vignette) is trying to get cosmetic surgery to look Asian, Asian culture dominates everything, etc.

And your mention of the America v Germany thing. Good stuff

[TheNomad]

UPDATE: so the flag is now at half mast until after the internment.  

Sorry for not being more focused currently, can someone say how that happened?  Agent Orange does not reverse course.  But neither did W.

This whole thing is going so badly for Orange, I even don't doubt McCain planned his final days/moments/letters to lash from beyond the grave at him and anyone else he clashed with.  This is the problem we are facing about people who want to be right EVEN INTO ETERNITY.  It has to stop.  The model says it will, this current enduring of it is making me sick and has since the election.  I have been trying to hold it in, I think many people just walked in a daze after that... and this McCain thing will not be viewed "properly".  And I don't care.  It will be used and seen as and perceived as a complete and total calling out of the filthy nature of Agent Orange.  It has no business serving that function but it will, and I want it. 

Dead Hero v Agent Orange under investigation and spewing bile? 

The Dead Hero will win every time.  Win BIG.  Old white people in Mississippi will not understand how Agent Orange could possibly defame a decorated soldier hero/30-year career senator.  I think the limit will finally be broken.  Has anyone seen Born on the Fourth of July?  Kovic goes to the home of his war buddy (whom he killed by accident) thinking he can lay down some CONFESSION on them to clear his conscience.  But they don't want the truth. 

You can't touch the truth when it wears a uniform.  It is immutable and eternal.

[David Horn]

You ask: "Will McCain Death, Midterms & Legal Scandals Finally Be Enough?"
Answer: No.

There is a cult of personality out there, fueled by the worst aspects of anyone's personality": racism, resentment, hate and schadenfreude. It won't go away until something much worse takes its place: perhaps war or financial meltdown. I can't total discount the possibility of disenchantment, but I see no evidence of it. Most of what constitutes Trump's base has been waiting for a hater for a long time. Now that they have one, they aren't going to quit him lightly.

[TheNomad]

(08-28-2018, 10:44 AM)David Horn Wrote: You ask: "Will McCain Death, Midterms & Legal Scandals Finally Be Enough?"  
Answer: No.

There is a cult of personality out there, fueled by the worst aspects of anyone's personality": racism, resentment, hate and schadenfreude.  It won't go away until something much worse takes its place: perhaps war or financial meltdown.  I can't  total discount the possibility of disenchantment, but I see no evidence of it.  Most of what constitutes Trump's base has been waiting for a hater for a long time.  Now that they have one, they aren't going to quit him lightly.

it's true

[TheNomad]

UPDATE: president publicly acknowledges McCain after pushed from multiple people.

[David Horn]

(08-28-2018, 11:31 AM)TheNomad Wrote: UPDATE: president publicly acknowledges McCain after pushed from multiple people.

One of the big veterans groups weighed-in with a bit of a threat.  Trump can't afford to lose vets and serving military, so he caved.

[pbrower2a]

(08-28-2018, 07:20 AM)TheNomad Wrote: I am fascinated by your American/Japanese ideas.  The movie Cloud Atlas really introduced me to that concept.  Everyone (in that vignette) is trying to get cosmetic surgery to look Asian, Asian culture dominates everything, etc.  

And your mention of the America v Germany thing.  Good stuff

Idea for a science-fiction novel. I'm tired of the ones in which the fascists win and murder millions and enslave far more. I'm thinking of having Stalin crash and die, wreckage not to be found for decades or even centuries, into the Arctic Ocean and such enforcers as Beria, Kaganovich, and Vishinsky die with ropes around their necks. The difference between the KKK and the Nazis is that the Klan never got to commit the genocide that its bigotry and tyranny would have made inevitable.  

People recognize that Germany and Japan were defeated and attribute such to the inferiority of their armed forces. No, their armed forces were excellent. The problem for them was that the upper leadership so badly mistreated defeated peoples that nobody could ever concede defeat. The nation is not the problem; the ideology is.  I'm starting Britain with Oswald Moseley and France with Pierre Laval, and I am giving the Germans a quick victory in France as in the real World War II... and an unqualified defeat of Britain at Dunkirk. Britain's wartime leadership is not at all Churchillian until after Britain surrenders. Stalin's regime dies because the Germans decollectivize  Soviet agriculture, literally giving land to the farmers. Do you want a new and strong Ukraine? You have it! For a parallel to the Portuguese monarchy situating itself in Brazil during the Napoleonic threat, I have a British near-royal establishing himself as Emperor Louis I of India. That is an India containing all lands of the Subcontinent, including what became Pakistan (and later Bangladesh), Sri Lanka, and Burma.     

The problem with the Japanese is that they try to force their culture on people not Japanese... and it does not work.

[Eric the Green]

(08-28-2018, 10:44 AM)David Horn Wrote: You ask: "Will McCain Death, Midterms & Legal Scandals Finally Be Enough?"  
Answer: No.

There is a cult of personality out there, fueled by the worst aspects of anyone's personality": racism, resentment, hate and schadenfreude.  It won't go away until something much worse takes its place: perhaps war or financial meltdown.  I can't  total discount the possibility of disenchantment, but I see no evidence of it.  Most of what constitutes Trump's base has been waiting for a hater for a long time.  Now that they have one, they aren't going to quit him lightly.

Very well said. My only hope is that just enough will be disenchanted to empower the opposition. Then we will go on from there, continuing to face their wrath until they are defeated decisively enough for a pause we know as a first turning to begin. It only takes a 6% majority in the midterms, and 77,774 votes in three states in the presidential election. The Trump base is a strong majority of a minority. Peal off the minority of that minority, maybe just 4% of it, and the red tide is held at bay. Which means, the neo-liberal, militarist, gun totin', and social-conservative/hating minorities are held at bay, despite their built in, constitutional advantages and their cheating.

[Galen]

(08-28-2018, 06:01 AM)TheNomad Wrote: Omg he used laissez faire against Eric.  I'm so freaking dying right now thank you.

Polysci120
Ploysci122

Lets all do the pre reqs before throwing academic acorns (lmao)

I also love u accused him of teaching out dated knowledge while u quote Ludwig von Moses

My question being DO you have an Orange Crush?  Like... A man one for the occupier?

I think anyone who fought in a war deserves to be called a hero.  Doesn't matter what u did in it. That is the way we process the violence of war and sanctify it.

Only gutter trash who probably neither fought in it nor protested it (totally doesn't care) would even introduce a questioning of someone who fought for a cause they believed was right.

I mean, what kind of human or claiming to be that will use every knife no matter how ugly and morose to achieve some business/political end against someone else?  

I know nothing of McCain's political past really but I think everyone should at least leave a persons military record alone.  To use that tactic is exactly where that man is from and where he exists.  Very low.

This thread is asking IS this McCain death and all it entails for the mans current situation.... Is this going to finally be a catalyst?  For people to really be like std are you and we want you out and want nothing you stand for.

It would help if you could write a coherent sentence.

As recently as 1990 the socialist economist Robert Heilbroner admitted that Mises was right which means that his works are still very relevant.  I strongly recommend that you read the entire Gary North article.  It is also worth noting that in 1920 when writing Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth he was grappling with issues of computational complexity and information theory that are very familiar to computer scientists today.  I hold degrees in Electronics and Computer Science and the Computer Science degree I got in 2015 which is hardly out of date.  Come to think of it, the degree in Electronics I got in 1987 is still pretty relevant in my current job as well.

When the protests finally ended I would have not quite been ten years old.  My parents were not hippies, thank God for small favors, and so I would not have been allowed to go out and protest.  Wouldn't really have been all that inclined to protest because even then I was not terribly impressed by the Boomers and their subsequent actions only increased my contempt for most of them.

If you want criticism of McCain's military record then here are some comments by a former Lieutenant Colonel.  You also might find some of her comments on the Iraq war interesting.  The comments of an intelligence professional with integrity are always worth reading so it would well worth spending some time reading what she had to write.

While I don't agree with Pat Buchanan on many things he does often ask good questions.  Perhaps he is right and without McCain in the Senate the current destructive foreign policy and its wars will come to an end.

[David Horn]

(08-28-2018, 01:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-28-2018, 10:44 AM)David Horn Wrote: You ask: "Will McCain Death, Midterms & Legal Scandals Finally Be Enough?"  
Answer: No.

There is a cult of personality out there, fueled by the worst aspects of anyone's personality": racism, resentment, hate and schadenfreude.  It won't go away until something much worse takes its place: perhaps war or financial meltdown.  I can't  total discount the possibility of disenchantment, but I see no evidence of it.  Most of what constitutes Trump's base has been waiting for a hater for a long time.  Now that they have one, they aren't going to quit him lightly.

Very well said. My only hope is that just enough will be disenchanted to empower the opposition. Then we will go on from there, continuing to face their wrath until they are defeated decisively enough for a pause we know as a first turning to begin. It only takes a 6% majority in the midterms, and 77,774 votes in three states in the presidential election. The Trump base is a strong majority of a minority. Peal off the minority of that minority, maybe just 4% of it, and the red tide is held at bay. Which means, the neo-liberal, militarist, gun totin', and social-conservative/hating minorities are held at bay, despite their built in, constitutional advantages and their cheating.

I doubt many of the Trumpists will cross the street and vote against him, though disillusioned women are more likely to do that than men.  I see most of the disillusioned from both sexes just staying home.  That's only half as effective as voting for GOP opponents, but still potent if the numbers are there.  More to the point, what happens if the vote is decisive, and the Trump control era ends (the Dems win the House) or is reversed (the Dems win both chambers of Congress)?  Will there be a mad dash to appoint reactionary judges to every open judgeship?  Will McConnell kill the filibuster entirely and use the waning days of GOP control to pass some poison-pill legislation that Trump can sign? I think both are likely.

[TheNomad]

(08-28-2018, 12:54 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-28-2018, 07:20 AM)TheNomad Wrote: I am fascinated by your American/Japanese ideas.  The movie Cloud Atlas really introduced me to that concept.  Everyone (in that vignette) is trying to get cosmetic surgery to look Asian, Asian culture dominates everything, etc.  

And your mention of the America v Germany thing.  Good stuff

Idea for a science-fiction novel. I'm tired of the ones in which the fascists win and murder millions and enslave far more. I'm thinking of having Stalin crash and die, wreckage not to be found for decades or even centuries, into the Arctic Ocean and such enforcers as Beria, Kaganovich, and Vishinsky die with ropes around their necks. The difference between the KKK and the Nazis is that the Klan never got to commit the genocide that its bigotry and tyranny would have made inevitable.  

People recognize that Germany and Japan were defeated and attribute such to the inferiority of their armed forces. No, their armed forces were excellent. The problem for them was that the upper leadership so badly mistreated defeated peoples that nobody could ever concede defeat. The nation is not the problem; the ideology is.  I'm starting Britain with Oswald Moseley and France with Pierre Laval, and I am giving the Germans a quick victory in France as in the real World War II... and an unqualified defeat of Britain at Dunkirk. Britain's wartime leadership is not at all Churchillian until after Britain surrenders. Stalin's regime dies because the Germans decollectivize  Soviet agriculture, literally giving land to the farmers. Do you want a new and strong Ukraine? You have it! For a parallel to the Portuguese monarchy situating itself in Brazil during the Napoleonic threat, I have a British near-royal establishing himself as Emperor Louis I of India. That is an India containing all lands of the Subcontinent, including what became Pakistan (and later Bangladesh), Sri Lanka, and Burma.     

The problem with the Japanese is that they try to force their culture on people not Japanese... and it does not work.

That seriously is awesome.  Not just ur fluffer.  I'm personally fascinated by maps, borders, how/when/why rulership(s) changed hands... I'm down.  A brief thought but rather ordinary is real, actual people existing unknown in Antarctica from antiquity.  Not a Stargate community of Ancients but just a people.  The matter of the "south pole" is up for debate for me... I entertain Flat Earth on youtube when a bong is present, and since I love maps, there are discrepancies between real and actual satellite footage of the continent and what is actually there.  Famous Adm Byrd was talking about massive resources there, I do not buy some global love-in to save the world, the Bushes would have planted a Texas flag there already with Prescott.  Areas noted before the ban to be present there claimed temperate climate in places, I am thinking of people in those areas who we have not discovered.  Also, every map of the Earth I've ever examined - the math i even wrong.  The lat/lon markers never line up...... OK fine Earth is de Grasse "pear-shaped"? but if that's the case, why the lying depiction of a perfect round marble.  The continent is physically way huger than anyone is ever acknowledging, and then the inescapable flight routes in southern hemisphere where it takes like 32 hours or something unreal to go from Buenos Aires to Capetown... or any 2 cities IN the southern hemisphere.  How, a flight leaving Buenos Aires (ex.) will pass through something crazy like UAE on its way to Sydney (ex). 

So yeah, they are there, waiting for us even now..

[TheNomad]

(08-28-2018, 01:54 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-28-2018, 10:44 AM)David Horn Wrote: You ask: "Will McCain Death, Midterms & Legal Scandals Finally Be Enough?"  
Answer: No.

There is a cult of personality out there, fueled by the worst aspects of anyone's personality": racism, resentment, hate and schadenfreude.  It won't go away until something much worse takes its place: perhaps war or financial meltdown.  I can't  total discount the possibility of disenchantment, but I see no evidence of it.  Most of what constitutes Trump's base has been waiting for a hater for a long time.  Now that they have one, they aren't going to quit him lightly.

Very well said. My only hope is that just enough will be disenchanted to empower the opposition. Then we will go on from there, continuing to face their wrath until they are defeated decisively enough for a pause we know as a first turning to begin. It only takes a 6% majority in the midterms, and 77,774 votes in three states in the presidential election. The Trump base is a strong majority of a minority. Peal off the minority of that minority, maybe just 4% of it, and the red tide is held at bay. Which means, the neo-liberal, militarist, gun totin', and social-conservative/hating minorities are held at bay, despite their built in, constitutional advantages and their cheating.

IMO you are right, except I think perhaps (I hate I have to choose between red and blue I hope that ends) blue will have shown to have evolved in such a way that more people will be inclined to see it from there.  Meaning, a lateral shift in everything.  But I don't like that.  It's the best of 2 options but still only 2 options.  In the new cycle, obviously blue will be in control, as they always are in a first turning.  When you say it that way, what IS blue or red?  Just a set of core ideals I think.  I'm saying blue will open the tent wider and that's how it will prevail.  I think blue always alienates the other side by being too exclusive or something... maybe pandering to the widest fringe which scares the populace not IN any fringe area demographic.  Red scares people the same way.  It's identical.  That's why I hate it.  I do believe there is such a thing as false left/right paradigm. 

It's not real.

However, it seems like America hated Hillary Clinton more than they did not want the current person.  We always end up "choosing" based on who we dislike the least.  That's just horrible.  Voting - itself - makes me ill, how can any of us justify any choice we have ever made in our life which only had 2 options?

Can anyone anecdote on that?

I wanted to buy a home, I looked at 2 physical properties.
I wanted to partner up with someone, I met 2 people.
I wanted a career and only applied to 2 firms.

Not So Much.  So, that's for anyone ready to pull the "vote-and-participate" pistol.

Oh, and I'm a long-time resident of a huge city - incorporating huge revenue for tax............. and I've only been to 2 restaurants here... and ended up choosing one which I go to all the time, whenever I eat out.

Is it real life or some fantasy?

I dwell in a Superpower nation and only ever have 2 choices. 



Reptilian Rule From Atlantis (Namor objects)

[TheNomad]

(08-28-2018, 03:51 PM)Galen Wrote:

(08-28-2018, 06:01 AM)TheNomad Wrote: Omg he used laissez faire against Eric.  I'm so freaking dying right now thank you.

Polysci120
Ploysci122

Lets all do the pre reqs before throwing academic acorns (lmao)

I also love u accused him of teaching out dated knowledge while u quote Ludwig von Moses

My question being DO you have an Orange Crush?  Like... A man one for the occupier?

I think anyone who fought in a war deserves to be called a hero.  Doesn't matter what u did in it. That is the way we process the violence of war and sanctify it.

Only gutter trash who probably neither fought in it nor protested it (totally doesn't care) would even introduce a questioning of someone who fought for a cause they believed was right.

I mean, what kind of human or claiming to be that will use every knife no matter how ugly and morose to achieve some business/political end against someone else?  

I know nothing of McCain's political past really but I think everyone should at least leave a persons military record alone.  To use that tactic is exactly where that man is from and where he exists.  Very low.

This thread is asking IS this McCain death and all it entails for the mans current situation.... Is this going to finally be a catalyst?  For people to really be like std are you and we want you out and want nothing you stand for.

It would help if you could write a coherent sentence.

As recently as 1990 the socialist economist Robert Heilbroner admitted that Mises was right which means that his works are still very relevant.  I strongly recommend that you read the entire Gary North article.  It is also worth noting that in 1920 when writing Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth he was grappling with issues of computational complexity and information theory that are very familiar to computer scientists today.  I hold degrees in Electronics and Computer Science and the Computer Science degree I got in 2015 which is hardly out of date.  Come to think of it, the degree in Electronics I got in 1987 is still pretty relevant in my current job as well.

When the protests finally ended I would have not quite been ten years old.  My parents were not hippies, thank God for small favors, and so I would not have been allowed to go out and protest.  Wouldn't really have been all that inclined to protest because even then I was not terribly impressed by the Boomers and their subsequent actions only increased my contempt for most of them.

If you want criticism of McCain's military record then here are some comments by a former Lieutenant Colonel.  You also might find some of her comments on the Iraq war interesting.  The comments of an intelligence professional with integrity are always worth reading so it would well worth spending some time reading what she had to write.

While I don't agree with Pat Buchanan on many things he does often ask good questions.  Perhaps he is right and without McCain in the Senate the current destructive foreign policy and its wars will come to an end.

You said something here about electronics... and a degree.  And possibly Keifer Sutherland in A Few Good Men (1992).

If you read something here you didn't understand, read it twice.  Or find an adult.  Something about your other post or presence irritated me.  If I recall what it was, I will contact you.