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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/upshot...e-war.html
Quote:Hillary Clinton has built a commanding lead over Donald J. Trump in national polls, but she still has one big weakness: white working-class voters, especially men.
Even now, she is underperforming any recent Democratic candidate among white voters without a college degree.
It’s a very different story from 2008, when Barack Obama built a big national lead by attracting white working-class voters in states like Wisconsin and Indiana.
Instead, Mrs. Clinton’s gains come from big margins among well-educated voters and an electorate that’s much more diverse than it was even a decade ago...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/upshot...e-war.html
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(10-19-2016, 03:21 PM)Dan Wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/upshot...e-war.html
Quote:Hillary Clinton has built a commanding lead over Donald J. Trump in national polls, but she still has one big weakness: white working-class voters, especially men.
Even now, she is underperforming any recent Democratic candidate among white voters without a college degree.
It’s a very different story from 2008, when Barack Obama built a big national lead by attracting white working-class voters in states like Wisconsin and Indiana.
Instead, Mrs. Clinton’s gains come from big margins among well-educated voters and an electorate that’s much more diverse than it was even a decade ago...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/upshot...e-war.html
LBJ lost well-educated white voters in his landslide against Barry Goldwater. Of course that was a much-smaller demographic then than 52 years later.
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But if you think about it, this is a new form of Social Darwinism: If you don't go to college, you can look forward to wages that in many cities will mean outright homelessness.
This is why Hillary and her neoliberal globalists face a much sterner challenge from the socialists in 2020, who may be able to mount a successful "Dump Hillary" movement - a Crisis-era redux of 1968's equally successful "Dump Lyndon Johnson" movement.
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10-23-2016, 06:04 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-23-2016, 06:13 PM by FLBones.)
Elite wealthy liberal democrats only care about the vote and the money. Globalization and free trade only give them more money. They try to act "sympthateic" for muslims, blacks, women, illegal aliens etc by constantly bringing up their past problems and trying to make it sound as if these groups can't fend for themselves are too stupid to figure anything out but are sexist racists behind closed doors. They have little to no interest in the average american and seem to put anyone down for not having a college degree, or working in the blue collar field.
Say as I do, not as I do people.
On the flip side, with the wealthy elite Republicans, they seem to only care about corporations and the wealthy. They keep purging for more and more tax cuts on the wealthy and continue to look for ways to weaken labor laws and continually advocate for laws that will only worsen income inequality.
Both sides are in favor of programs that actually weaken marriages and families in this country. Democrats with welfare and Republicans with economic policies that make economic conditions worse. If both Republicans and Democats actually cared about the average working calss family, and policies were in place that allowed the economy to grow and for wages to go up, then marriage and birth rates would go up. Look what happened between the 1930s and the fifties with the economy and the birth rate.
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10-23-2016, 06:19 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-23-2016, 06:23 PM by Eric the Green.)
When it comes to why people oppose Hillary, this article on the other thread covers it pretty well.
http://generational-theory.com/forum/thr...l#pid10917
At least a good part of it.
The best way forward is not to put down liberals as this and that, but join them and support them. You must choose between the blue and the red. If "liberals" are not interested in the "average American," then they aren't "liberals;" they are conservatives. So call them what they are. Liberal democrats oppose free trade and corporate globalization far more than conservative Republicans do. Trump is a maverick on that issue.
As for non-white groups, if you want "liberal" progress and opportunity for all in a society where all are respected and treated fairly, then they are the allies and friends of white liberals. Treat them as such, and with respect. These groups generally have little interest in joining the wealthy elite Republicans with their absurd, individualist self-reliance memes and trickle-down schemes. They don't work, and we need social programs that protect and advance the interests of everyone.
As for blue collar workers and the non-college educated, or as Trump called them in Nevada, "the poorly-educated" whom he "loves," it is up to them to show that they are just as smart as anyone else, and NOT fall for the ridiculous Republican memes and slogans and the racist dog-whistles. Otherwise, they are just on the wrong team and must be defeated at the polls.
