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One of the reasons the US is collapsing now is that Americans think that decay will be stopped by becoming Fascists and Communists. Americans think the US will be improved by expanding wars, increasing the debt, and adding more tyranny when the reason the USA is crashing is because the US has wars, is in debt, and has a police state.
Americans say that they love freedom, but then they turn around and say they need the government to give them free Obamacare, build a wall, protect the US from Yemen, wiretap their phones, arrest people for feeding the homeless, stop farmers from plowing fields, force people to get rid of dogs, ban vaping, and torture suspects.
Every country has the government it deserves.
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03-01-2021, 08:02 AM
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Quote: Americans think that decay will be stopped by becoming... Communists
No. Communism is not a program of national salvation (despite what Third Worldists might think) but a program for the abolition of all nations.
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(02-28-2021, 09:35 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Hmmm... I already used Acirema for Classic's fantasies. Do I have to spell it sideways somehow to have a word for your impression? I'll give you a clue. America is quite diverse. Saying all Americans believe one thing will generally be simplistic.
Arguing with a paranoid about the source of his/her paranoia is an exercise in futility -- fun, perhaps, but futile. 
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(03-01-2021, 05:39 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Keynes proposed spending in bad times, paying down in good. Voodoo proposes stimulating all the time, and they wonder why the economy collapses after they hold the White House for a while. The parties seem to agree on the spending in bad times part. We'll see what happens when the economy recovers.
Actually, Voodoo seems to call for stimulus when it's needed least and none when it truly is. There's a theory behind that, though it totally escapes me. Perhaps Classic can fill us in.
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The notion that tax cuts are stimulatory is actually a badrardization of Keynes. Monetarsm is, in fact, a Keynesian variant- Friedman et al. accepted the basis premise of Keynes that the velocity of money in the system was the issue behind depressions, but thought that tax cuts could function just as well as State spending. Monetarist neoliberalism, Keynesian conservatism- these really *are* functionally identical things.
The pre-monetarist fiscal orthodoxy coming out of the 19th century in the West was, to the contrary, *not* stimulatory in nature.
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(03-01-2021, 03:57 PM)Einzige Wrote: The notion that tax cuts are stimulatory is actually a badrardization of Keynes. Monetarsm is, in fact, a Keynesian variant- Friedman et al. accepted the basis premise of Keynes that the velocity of money in the system was the issue behind depressions, but thought that tax cuts could function just as well as State spending. Monetarist neoliberalism, Keynesian conservatism- these really *are* functionally identical things.
The pre-monetarist fiscal orthodoxy coming out of the 19th century in the West was, to the contrary, *not* stimulatory in nature.
Yes, Friedman did believe that the laissez faire tax cut was as powerful and less onerous than direct government intervention through spending programs. We tried it starting with Reagan, and it failed -- several times. The idea that "the market" will move the money to the right place has been proven wrong, but the money guys benefit from the tax cuts. This idea will die a very slow death.
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(03-01-2021, 04:12 PM)David Horn Wrote: (03-01-2021, 03:57 PM)Einzige Wrote: The notion that tax cuts are stimulatory is actually a badrardization of Keynes. Monetarsm is, in fact, a Keynesian variant- Friedman et al. accepted the basis premise of Keynes that the velocity of money in the system was the issue behind depressions, but thought that tax cuts could function just as well as State spending. Monetarist neoliberalism, Keynesian conservatism- these really *are* functionally identical things.
The pre-monetarist fiscal orthodoxy coming out of the 19th century in the West was, to the contrary, *not* stimulatory in nature.
Yes, Friedman did believe that the laissez faire tax cut was as powerful and less onerous than direct government intervention through spending programs. We tried it starting with Reagan, and it failed -- several times. The idea that "the market" will move the money to the right place has been proven wrong, but the money guys benefit from the tax cuts. This idea will die a very slow death.
The alternative of course is State capitalism, which is going to set the stage for proletarian revolution.
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(03-01-2021, 10:29 AM)David Horn Wrote: (02-28-2021, 09:35 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Hmmm... I already used Acirema for Classic's fantasies. Do I have to spell it sideways somehow to have a word for your impression? I'll give you a clue. America is quite diverse. Saying all Americans believe one thing will generally be simplistic.
Arguing with a paranoid about the source of his/her paranoia is an exercise in futility -- fun, perhaps, but futile.
I think I got it. When he says 'Americans', he means at least two? 
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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When the US was a free country, Americans could decide what was best for their lives.
You could say that you plan to find a job today, enroll in college tomorrow, travel to Miami next week, buy a car next month, and start a business next year.
Now Americans must wait for decrees from the state like slaves.
Today you must get a mandatory vaccine, turn in your guns tomorrow, private property will be nationalized next week, you must get a microchip implant next month, and you'll sent to the concentration camps next year.
No one is responsible for anything because everyone is just following orders.
The elites want everything, but they don't need you.
Wake up. Look what is going down.
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(03-01-2021, 06:15 PM)BettyBoston Wrote: When the US was a free country,
This libertarian troll is amusing.
When was this ever the case?
During the period of antebellum slavery? Or during the union breaking yet that followed? What about during the Red Scare of the 10s? Of the 50s?
Capitalism is not a free system.
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Wow.
Americans scream tyranny is wonderful because the US has always been a police state, but what if the USA used to have freedom and lost it?
Even if the US never had freedom, does that mean liberty is bad?
Did the USA have curfews, NSA wiretapping, checkpoints, forfeiture, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, torture, kill lists, no fly lists, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, redlight cameras, license plate readers, and Jade Helm in 1980?
Did Americans need a pilot license in 1920 to fly a plane?
Did Americans have gun bans, business licenses, Social Security numbers, sales, income, or property taxes in 1890?
Were drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling, and prostitution illegal in 1880?
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(02-28-2021, 03:22 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: "Moral decay" was built into the USA's founding documents and procedures and there's never been a time without it. And so, "decay" from what? The age of kings and emperors?
America's founding documents and procedures may be good for politics, but certainly are not sufficient to define morality for the individual. For this purpose other moral codes are needed. It used to be Christianity, but few people still treat it seriously. "The personal is political" principle beloved by Leftists is terribly wrong.
So, moral decay in the Millennial saeculum could be caused by excessive politicization of life.
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The elites have turned everyone into criminals, liars, hypocrites, and cowards.
The only good thing about living in a police state is that no one can take the moral high ground on anything.
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(03-01-2021, 04:15 PM)Einzige Wrote: (03-01-2021, 04:12 PM)David Horn Wrote: (03-01-2021, 03:57 PM)Einzige Wrote: The notion that tax cuts are stimulatory is actually a badrardization of Keynes. Monetarsm is, in fact, a Keynesian variant- Friedman et al. accepted the basis premise of Keynes that the velocity of money in the system was the issue behind depressions, but thought that tax cuts could function just as well as State spending. Monetarist neoliberalism, Keynesian conservatism- these really *are* functionally identical things.
The pre-monetarist fiscal orthodoxy coming out of the 19th century in the West was, to the contrary, *not* stimulatory in nature.
Yes, Friedman did believe that the laissez faire tax cut was as powerful and less onerous than direct government intervention through spending programs. We tried it starting with Reagan, and it failed -- several times. The idea that "the market" will move the money to the right place has been proven wrong, but the money guys benefit from the tax cuts. This idea will die a very slow death.
The alternative of course is State capitalism, which is going to set the stage for proletarian revolution.
Only in your dreams. Too many Americans believe that they have a shot at the brass ring too, so they'll fight against flattening until they cease to breathe. Less will have to be more, or nothing changes at all.
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Americans think that private businesses are the problem, but companies aren't the ones who torture.
Corporations don't have a vested interest in killing their customers.
Businesses that torture would just be warlords, would have no have mandate to rule, and would be boycotted.
The state is the hammer.
Only governments can force taxpayers to fund mandatory vaccines, mandatory insurance, private prison contracts, torture, wiretapping, and wars that benefit corporations.
Americans think that living in a police state is paradise, but tyranny is hell.
Anyone who hates freedom is a tool for the elites.
Americans think that the USA will have bullet trains and free college in a police state, but who would want to go to college if high salaries were taxed to pay for tyranny, everybody made the same wage, and you couldn't own property? Why would you want to use trains if traveling means that you must give the government your fingerprints and DNA samples and get an anal swab?
Life is nothing in a police state.
In a police state, anyone who loves freedom cannot travel, work, have a bank account, drive, own a gun, start a business, or buy property.
The fake prosperity in a police state only comes from cannibalizing the wealth of a country, oil, and debt.
When the money runs out, everyone is sent to the gulags and killed off.
You only need to look at ghettos, Indian reservations, Appalachia, Europe, Cuba, North Korea, and the Soviet Union to see the results of tyranny.
Police states have no morals because there are no churches.
No one has responsibility in a police state.
Everything falls apart because no one owns property.
There are no guns. There is no public safety because no one trusts the Gestapo.
There is no free speech, private media, or protests in a police state.
Police states have forfeiture.
Police states have wiretapping and torture.
There are extrajudicial assassinations.
There are struggle sessions, re-education camps, death squads, and killing fields in police states.
No one gets married in a police state because females marry the state.
No one has children because what kind of life is this?
Nothing can change because there is no democracy in a police state.
There are no elections.
There are no legitimate trials.
There is no future in a police state.
Wake up.
Look at the end game.
The globalists don't need you. The ruling powers support tyranny because they want you dead so that they can steal the wealth and land of the world. The 1% will have robots soon.
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