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The stench of moral decay, especially in politics, is creeping across America
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The stench of moral decay, especially in politics, is creeping across America

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/op...962399001/
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No shit, Sherlock.
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When lying and cheating are successful strategies, moral decay is almost a given. New leadership that sets a higher moral tone can reverse that, but it takes a long time to get there. That only means that it should have begun long ago, but now is better than never.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(09-06-2019, 08:41 AM)David Horn Wrote: When lying and cheating are successful strategies, moral decay is almost a given.  New leadership that sets a higher moral tone can reverse that, but it takes a long time to get there.  That only means that it should have begun long ago, but now is better than never.

We need only go back to the integrity of Obama for President -- but it takes more than the President. It will also take a public that rejects demagogues who make contradictory but nebulous promises, business administrators who care about customers and subordinates, politicians who head constituents more than they heed lobbyists. journalists who put objective truth above a rigid agenda, and perhaps even creative people who inculcate the idea that destructive behavior ruins the destructive person. Education? Very simply, we need to teach that there is more to life than quick thrills, chemical highs, sex, material indulgence, bureaucratic power, and mind-numbing entertainment.

I think of the honor codes of the Service Academies, worded differently but meaning much the same: "Do not lie, do not cheat, and do not steal; do not tolerate lying, cheating, and stealing by others". It seems obvious for any professional (except perhaps in marketing/sales): accountants, engineers, teachers, physicians, pharmacists, research scientists... It can be difficult to obey at times, but it can save lots of problems.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(09-06-2019, 08:41 AM)David Horn Wrote: New leadership that sets a higher moral tone can reverse that, but it takes a long time to get there.

Politicians don't have to be perfect people, just a bit better than the rest. Or at least be perceived that way by their voters. You see how this drags down standards.

(09-06-2019, 05:16 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It will also take a public that rejects demagogues who make contradictory but nebulous promises, business administrators who care about customers and subordinates, politicians who head constituents more than they heed lobbyists. journalists who put objective truth above a rigid agenda, and perhaps even creative people who inculcate the idea that destructive behavior ruins the destructive person. Education? Very simply, we need to teach that there is more to life than quick thrills, chemical highs, sex, material indulgence, bureaucratic power, and mind-numbing entertainment.

Sounds like life in a High.
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(09-09-2019, 04:58 AM)Hintergrund Wrote:
(09-06-2019, 08:41 AM)David Horn Wrote: New leadership that sets a higher moral tone can reverse that, but it takes a long time to get there.

Politicians don't have to be perfect people, just a bit better than the rest. Or at least be perceived that way by their voters. You see how this drags down standards.

(09-06-2019, 05:16 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: It will also take a public that rejects demagogues who make contradictory but nebulous promises, business administrators who care about customers and subordinates, politicians who head constituents more than they heed lobbyists. journalists who put objective truth above a rigid agenda, and perhaps even creative people who inculcate the idea that destructive behavior ruins the destructive person. Education? Very simply, we need to teach that there is more to life than quick thrills, chemical highs, sex, material indulgence, bureaucratic power, and mind-numbing entertainment.

Sounds like life in a High.

Maybe this time we will go to a High due alone to cultural change and not because our cities look like Hamburg, Dresden, Warsaw, Hiroshima, or Nagasaki at the end of the last Crisis Era. We have been slow to congeal as a people in this Crisis, perhaps because our elites still wallow in ways of the 3T even if they force Crisis-style sacrifices upon the rest of us. 

Hypocrisy has a proclivity for implosion. If Donald Trump does something incredibly stupid, then we might end this Crisis with a scenario in some ways parallel to Seven Days in May , if not for the pretexts in the book and the movie. The President having the Air Force refuel at his resort for above-market rates and commit airmen to stay at overpriced Trump hotels? I doubt that that is going down well in the Air Force.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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The problem in America is that everyone is conditioned to think about "morals" only in terms of sex, sex, sex - which is what is causing Millennials to fill the ranks of the "nones."
"It was better with them that were slain by the sword, than with them that died with hunger, for these pined away being consumed for want of the fruits of the earth" - Lamentations 4:9
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(11-09-2019, 05:44 PM)Anthony Wrote: The problem in America is that everyone is conditioned to think about "morals" only in terms of sex, sex, sex - which is what is causing Millennials to fill the ranks of the "nones."

It goes further than that.  The US has tons of hangups and moral panics about all sorts of stuff. There's sex, drugs, SJW horseshit,and social conservative horseshit. I rather doubt Millies have a monopoly on any of the above crap.
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(11-09-2019, 05:44 PM)Anthony Wrote: The problem in America is that everyone is conditioned to think about "morals" only in terms of sex, sex, sex - which is what is causing Millennials to fill the ranks of the "nones."

Morals include:
  •  not victimizing vulnerable people -- the elderly, children, the handicapped, and the poor
  •  integrity in business dealings 
  •  not becoming a public charge (Work, dammit!)
  •  staying sober enough to function, and not giving in to addictive drugs
  •  insisting upon rational discourse in politics, academia, and news reporting
  •  honesty in public dealings
  •  avoiding reckless sex
  •  thrift (it is far easier to avoid ethical compromises if one has assets)
  •  recognizing quality education (even if only as trade school) as desirable in its own right
  •  limiting exposure to mind-rotting entertainment
  •  personal charity
  •  refraining from racism and religious bigotry... and sexism
There might be more, but I question whether any of these is unduly controversial.  It falls short of the egocentric motto "Do what thou wilt" of Aleister Crowley, and, regrettably , many figures of politics and entertainment 

I'd like to see more social equity, but our whole economic system and the command-and-control techniques of our moneyed elite seems to have the fear of destitution as its equivalent of the slave-master's lash.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(11-09-2019, 06:23 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:
(11-09-2019, 05:44 PM)Anthony Wrote: The problem in America is that everyone is conditioned to think about "morals" only in terms of sex, sex, sex - which is what is causing Millennials to fill the ranks of the "nones."

It goes further than that.  The US has tons of hangups and moral panics about all sorts of stuff. There's sex, drugs, SJW horseshit,and social conservative horseshit. I rather doubt Millies have a monopoly on any of the above crap.

Excellent point. Millies have an innate sense of right and wrong that's either a bit too perfect (see wokeness as the prime example) or distorted by their less than ideal life experience.  In a way, these can be melded together and reworked into a new moral code that actually values decency and punishes misbehavior in accordance with the damage it inflicts on society in general and individuals in particular.  Of course, can is not the same as will.  

This 4T may play out on that battlefield.  If so, it beats the hell out of fighting on a real one.  I would like to be around to see it.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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