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All this talk of automation to get around any increase in the minimum wage will put mass euthanasia on the table as it has never been before - and along will come Daniel Patrick Moynihan's "Christians on the scene of Second Century Rome" to rise up against it.
Possibly this after tens of millions of African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims, Jews, LGBTs etc. getting killed and/or driven into exile in the upcoming Second Civil War, apparently giving the conservatives an insurmountable majority in the 1T?
The irony of the oligarchs getting challenged by 21st-Century "Jesus freaks" would be exquisite.
"These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation" - Justice David Brewer, Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892
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I can see psychedelic drugs becoming completely legalized in the next Awakening.
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(12-10-2016, 10:52 AM)Anthony Wrote: All this talk of automation to get around any increase in the minimum wage will put mass euthanasia on the table as it has never been before - and along will come Daniel Patrick Moynihan's "Christians on the scene of Second Century Rome" to rise up against it.
Possibly this after tens of millions of African-Americans, Latinos, Muslims, Jews, LGBTs etc. getting killed and/or driven into exile in the upcoming Second Civil War, apparently giving the conservatives an insurmountable majority in the 1T?
The irony of the oligarchs getting challenged by 21st-Century "Jesus freaks" would be exquisite.
I guess that's a frightening prospect, if Trump's takeover is permanent. Instead of just excluding illegal immigrants, Bannon and the Trumpsters may use resistance against him as an excuse to start a war and chase them out, and truly make America great again-- meaning white, male-dominated and Christian again.
And unfortunately Christians today are nothing like the Roman variety. Rather than challenging the empire or the oligarchy, today they are the chief foundation and backbone of it. So they will never rise against it; their new leader will install his class into permanent power, unless the resistance succeeds.
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(12-12-2016, 03:58 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Theme: The Phoenix Rising From the Ashes of Thermonuclear World War.
That would be the first turning. The second turning will be dominated by new idealists (think boomers) who don't care about that war because it happened before they were born.
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(12-12-2016, 04:32 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: (12-12-2016, 03:58 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Theme: The Phoenix Rising From the Ashes of Thermonuclear World War.
That would be the first turning. The second turning will be dominated by new idealists (think boomers) who don't care about that war because it happened before they were born.
Both = Ragnarök . Tuss and I have the inside scoop. 
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2T? It all depends upon the character of the world that we live in (or our part of it) at the end of the Crisis. A thermonuclear war that destroys civilization? Then the cycle ends. End of America? Who are the occupiers? Do they treat Americans as serfs or slaves at the worst, do they try to force assimilation into the culture of the occupying power, or do they allow a New Birth of Freedom?
How do Americans see their parents? Culpable of the horrific crimes of the Crisis? Or simply out of touch? (As I recall Howe and Strauss suggested that the West Germans had much the same 2T as Americans... Germany of course having lost the war and middle-aged adults still holding much shame).
Suppose that things are somewhat normal. I expect the kids growing up to have an exaggerated trust in their own abilities to make moral judgments in contrast with conformist parents and grandparents. This is as Millennial adults are building big, soulless projects with little contemplation of the human touch. Whatever social problems were neglected at the end of the Crisis will come back to haunt America, and the New Boomers will be just the ones to champion the causes that got shoved aside because they were deemed insignificant or irrelevant.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.
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12-14-2016, 11:06 AM
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"Privatizing" Social Security and Medicare would also bring euthanasia to the fore - and while the low-church Protestant fundamentalist leaders we have now would have no trouble finding a "biblical" justification for it, Homelander fundamentalists can be expected to politely "question" it - and then their New Idealist juniors will rise in open revolt against it.
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(12-12-2016, 07:27 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: (12-12-2016, 04:32 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: (12-12-2016, 03:58 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Theme: The Phoenix Rising From the Ashes of Thermonuclear World War.
That would be the first turning. The second turning will be dominated by new idealists (think boomers) who don't care about that war because it happened before they were born.
Both = Ragnarök . Tuss and I have the inside scoop.
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I think people here would be wise to get more familiar with the last 2T, before speculating about the next one. It seems to be a total mystery to many people today.
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(12-12-2016, 06:01 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: (12-12-2016, 04:32 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: (12-12-2016, 03:58 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: Theme: The Phoenix Rising From the Ashes of Thermonuclear World War.
That would be the first turning. The second turning will be dominated by new idealists (think boomers) who don't care about that war because it happened before they were born.
The next 1T will not be like the past 1T. The destruction will be global and there will be no untouched land like the US was last time. Therefore, the next 1T will be very basic. Things like:
- We have government again
- There is running water again
- International travel is happening again
- The death rate is below 50%
Things like that.
That means, the next 2T will still feature many recovery operations as opposed to expressions of excess, and very simple modes of celebration. The spirit will be - Alas, the darkness finally has departed.
Your dark predictions seemed very far fetched.... until Drumpf. Now, who knows?
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