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Why the social dynamics viewpoint to the Strauss-Howe generational theory is wrong
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Let me be clear here: I do believe that the generational traits and the turnings are real. But I do not believe that the social dynamics model can explain them. Generations do not "realize" things and then change behavior just because something has happened. Generations do not raise other generations in a way that they "see" the world in some predetermined fashion. Generations do not form traits because the world is in one way or another. It is impossible for a 80 year cycle with 20 year generations to hold a coherent form through five centuries if it was relying on social dynamics.

This is why I have proposed and shown a large amount of validated evidence that the cycle and the generations are formed through hormone levels, and this has been observed in other cyclical animal populations too: https://jannemiettinen.fi/FourthTurning/

I believe that the reason why Strauss & Howe (and apparently almost everyone else on this forum but me) believe in the social dynamics model is because the theory of mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind

Theory of mind is innate to humans, and it makes humans think that they know what others think and then rationalize that their actions are due to this knowledge. I have a mild asperger syndrome, and individuals with asperger syndrome often have a different kind of theory of mind, and I for one can't force myself to believe in my intuition as much as facts and scientific evidence. I can't predict what "the masses" think, but I can observe what they do. Hormone levels modulate human behavior in ways the Strauss-Howe generational cycle describes: parenting intensity, group/social coherence, sexual behavior, etc.

So I would challenge anyone to explain to me how they think they can understand how people react to societal events and how this would change the behavior of the masses for good. And then tell how they themselves fit into this equation of realizing things and thus changing their own behavior for good.
Generational hormone theory: https://jannemiettinen.fi/FourthTurning/
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(03-21-2020, 04:54 AM)Ldr Wrote: Let me be clear here: I do believe that the generational traits and the turnings are real. But I do not believe that the social dynamics model can explain them. Generations do not "realize" things and then change behavior just because something has happened. Generations do not raise other generations in a way that they "see" the world in some predetermined fashion. Generations do not form traits because the world is in one way or another. It is impossible for a 80 year cycle with 20 year generations to hold a coherent form through five centuries if it was relying on social dynamics.

You seem determined to misunderstand the dynamics of the S&H theory.  Generations are simply aggregations of individuals who shared some common history. For example, if you had been alive when JFK was assassinated, you would have shared that profound imprint with everyone else alive at the time.  If you were young, the impact would have different than it would for someone older -- and vice versa.  That's the generational impact.  It's not an overlay on everyone; just an overlay on life experience.  That each generation will have a bent in a certain direction is what S&H meant by "history creating generations and generations creating history".  There is no unanimity. The impact is on the aggregate. There will always be variation within every generation, but each generation will still have a "flavor" based on the most dominant characteristic implanted.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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