Possible future predictions?

[Ghost]

*Turning 18 on November 8, 2016 (Trump v. Hillary election) may end up being similar to turning 18 on August 24, 1995 (Windows 95 release) from a historical generational standpoint.

*The Homelanders term may completely replace the Generation Z term, resulting in people born in 1997-2002 eventually becoming Millennials.

*9/11 until the 2008 crash may be viewed as the "gray area" between 3T and 4T.

*The coronavirus scare will be viewed as the "peak of the Fourth Turning".

[Camz]

I agree with all points except the second. I feel like both terms will fade away and be replaced with something different. If I'm right, I hope it's something that both says something about our generation, like the Quarantine Generation. It shows that we stay at home more than anyone and have gone through the Coronavirus crisis. Cuspers and older members would be known as Quaranteens.

I definitely predict combating climate change will play a role in this crisis in the coming years. We're rebuilding the system, so we might as well build one that's completely eco-friendly.

[Ghost]

(03-26-2020, 07:30 PM)Camz Wrote: I agree with all points except the second. I feel like both terms will fade away and be replaced with something different. If I'm right, I hope it's something that both says something about our generation, like the Quarantine Generation. It shows that we stay at home more than anyone and have gone through the Coronavirus crisis. Cuspers and older members would be known as Quaranteens.

I definitely predict combating climate change will play a role in this crisis in the coming years. We're rebuilding the system, so we might as well build one that's completely eco-friendly.

I had mixed feelings about the second one too (even while writing it).

I think Homelanders will still be the main name, but "Quarantine Generation" might be the most famous nickname for the generation, especially for the older camp of Homelanders (2003-2014).

The nickname for the younger camp of Homelanders (2015-date to be determined), however, is not really known yet. It's only 2020 and the oldest "younger Homelanders" are only five.

The entire Millennial/Homelander transition (1997-2008) can be called "Zoomers", as they were likely the ones who used Zoom during the coronavirus crisis.

[Blazkovitz]

Quarantine Generation? I like it, and it has a similar vibe to the "Silent Generation".

[Camz]

(03-26-2020, 08:02 PM)Ghost Wrote: I had mixed feelings about the second one too (even while writing it).

I think Homelanders will still be the main name, but "Quarantine Generation" might be the most famous nickname for the generation, especially for the older camp of Homelanders (2003-2014).

The nickname for the younger camp of Homelanders (2015-date to be determined), however, is not really known yet. It's only 2020 and the oldest "younger Homelanders" are only five.

The entire Millennial/Homelander transition (1997-2008) can be called "Zoomers", as they were likely the ones who used Zoom during the coronavirus crisis.

ZOOMERS. I love that so much. So clever. That's also a great compromise between Pew-birth-dates users and us.

[Eric the Green]

(03-26-2020, 04:57 PM)Ghost Wrote: *Turning 18 on November 8, 2016 (Trump v. Hillary election) may end up being similar to turning 18 on August 24, 1995 (Windows 95 release) from a historical generational standpoint.

*The Homelanders term may completely replace the Generation Z term, resulting in people born in 1997-2002 eventually becoming Millennials.

*9/11 until the 2008 crash may be viewed as the "gray area" between 3T and 4T.

*The coronavirus scare will be viewed as the "peak of the Fourth Turning".

Generation Z, people born in 1997-2002, will eventually become called Millennials. Any name based on the current crisis will not stick.

The peak of the Fourth Turning will come in 2025, and the climax in 2027.

The coronavirus crisis will be a prelude to a reform period that will end Reaganomics, so that the issues of our time can be addressed.

A Democrat will be elected to the White House in either 2020 or 2024, and if Trump is re-elected, a tsunami of sixth-year midterm democratic votes for congress will make him or Pence a virtual figurehead.

Danger of war in Asia increases in Dec. and Jan 2020, and danger of US intervention abroad in 2024-26. Secession or civil war is possible in 2024-26.

If Trump is voted out, he will resist, and if Trump is re-elected in 2020, the left-wing will resist. A right-wing rebellion will get violent by 2025 if the Democrats are in the White House.

China will undergo another challenge to authority in 2033, bringing an international crisis in 2035-36.

A new Awakening, much like the previous one, but less explosive or reckless, will begin in the mid-2040s.

[beechnut79]

(03-30-2020, 07:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-26-2020, 04:57 PM)Ghost Wrote: *Turning 18 on November 8, 2016 (Trump v. Hillary election) may end up being similar to turning 18 on August 24, 1995 (Windows 95 release) from a historical generational standpoint.

*The Homelanders term may completely replace the Generation Z term, resulting in people born in 1997-2002 eventually becoming Millennials.

*9/11 until the 2008 crash may be viewed as the "gray area" between 3T and 4T.

*The coronavirus scare will be viewed as the "peak of the Fourth Turning".

Generation Z, people born in 1997-2002, will eventually become called Millennials. Any name based on the current crisis will not stick.

The peak of the Fourth Turning will come in 2025, and the climax in 2027.

The coronavirus crisis will be a prelude to a reform period that will end Reaganomics, so that the issues of our time can be addressed.

A Democrat will be elected to the White House in either 2020 or 2024, and if Trump is re-elected, a tsunami of sixth-year midterm democratic votes for congress will make him or Pence a virtual figurehead.

Danger of war in Asia increases in Dec. and Jan 2020, and danger of US intervention abroad in 2024-26. Secession or civil war is possible in 2024-26.

If Trump is voted out, he will resist, and if Trump is re-elected in 2020, the left-wing will resist. A right-wing rebellion will get violent by 2025 if the Democrats are in the White House.

China will undergo another challenge to authority in 2033, bringing an international crisis in 2035-36.

A new Awakening, much like the previous one, but less explosive or reckless, will begin in the mid-2040s.

I would put the cutoff for Millennials at 2000 or 2001. The most logical start date for them is 1982 as they would become of age for just about everything except drinking at the turn of the millennium. And while on that subject, do you think we’re see another movement to lower drinking age anytime soon. The US is just about the only place in the world that sets its minimum age at 21.

Do you feel that the biggest health related crisis in over a century may amplify both our emotions and our intuition, if it hasn’t done so already? And would both the emotional and financial carnage have been much worse if this had occurred in the pre-Internet age when very few could have performed their jobs from a home base?

The Homelander name seems the most logical for those born after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.  But the current crisis has caused for more retrenchment than either that event or the financial crisis of a few years later. Some are ready talking of being in a second Great Depression. You often mention a cycle of 84 years, which would now put us at the equivalent of 1936, right around the height of the dust bowl period. Most likely the year 2025 will see some event as shattering as was Pearl Harbor. But we have not yet seen anything approaching the New Deal type mindset occurring.

Even prior to COVID-19 there were so many who felt like they were being overwhelmed and just wanted to walk away from others and situations. A prelude to social distancing mandates? The increased stress loads were unexpected by futurists of yore who all but promised us a society of ever increasing leisure. Many have thought to have explored escaping through addictive habits such as drugs  or alcohol even though they are not nearly as mainstream as they were during the last Awakening. New reports are suggesting that we could have to remain in social distancing mode for approximately five weeks. Am wondering what you see here?

This pandemic has officials drawn to take actions in new and maybe unorthodox ways. The old tried and true method may no longer have any hold on them, including Trump, who has realized that his idea of getting back to normal by Easter isn’t practical.

As far as the old ways no longer being practical, I am guessing that the coming decade will see us chucking it/them out and forging new paths. A funeral service for Reaganomics?

[Eric the Green]

(03-30-2020, 10:13 PM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(03-30-2020, 07:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-26-2020, 04:57 PM)Ghost Wrote: *Turning 18 on November 8, 2016 (Trump v. Hillary election) may end up being similar to turning 18 on August 24, 1995 (Windows 95 release) from a historical generational standpoint.

*The Homelanders term may completely replace the Generation Z term, resulting in people born in 1997-2002 eventually becoming Millennials.

*9/11 until the 2008 crash may be viewed as the "gray area" between 3T and 4T.

*The coronavirus scare will be viewed as the "peak of the Fourth Turning".

Generation Z, people born in 1997-2002, will eventually become called Millennials. Any name based on the current crisis will not stick.

The peak of the Fourth Turning will come in 2025, and the climax in 2027.

The coronavirus crisis will be a prelude to a reform period that will end Reaganomics, so that the issues of our time can be addressed.

A Democrat will be elected to the White House in either 2020 or 2024, and if Trump is re-elected, a tsunami of sixth-year midterm democratic votes for congress will make him or Pence a virtual figurehead.

Danger of war in Asia increases in Dec. and Jan 2020, and danger of US intervention abroad in 2024-26. Secession or civil war is possible in 2024-26.

If Trump is voted out, he will resist, and if Trump is re-elected in 2020, the left-wing will resist. A right-wing rebellion will get violent by 2025 if the Democrats are in the White House.

China will undergo another challenge to authority in 2033, bringing an international crisis in 2035-36.

A new Awakening, much like the previous one, but less explosive or reckless, will begin in the mid-2040s.

I would put the cutoff for Millennials at 2000 or 2001. The most logical start date for them is 1982 as they would become of age for just about everything except drinking at the turn of the millennium. And while on that subject, do you think we’re see another movement to lower drinking age anytime soon. The US is just about the only place in the world that sets its minimum age at 21.

Do you feel that the biggest health related crisis in over a century may amplify both our emotions and our intuition, if it hasn’t done so already? And would both the emotional and financial carnage have been much worse if this had occurred in the pre-Internet age when very few could have performed their jobs from a home base?

The Homelander name seems the most logical for those born after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.  But the current crisis has caused for more retrenchment than either that event or the financial crisis of a few years later. Some are ready talking of being in a second Great Depression. You often mention a cycle of 84 years, which would now put us at the equivalent of 1936, right around the height of the dust bowl period. Most likely the year 2025 will see some event as shattering as was Pearl Harbor. But we have not yet seen anything approaching the New Deal type mindset occurring.

Even prior to COVID-19 there were so many who felt like they were being overwhelmed and just wanted to walk away from others and situations. A prelude to social distancing mandates? The increased stress loads were unexpected by futurists of yore who all but promised us a society of ever increasing leisure. Many have thought to have explored escaping through addictive habits such as drugs  or alcohol even though they are not nearly as mainstream as they were during the last Awakening. New reports are suggesting that we could have to remain in social distancing mode for approximately five weeks. Am wondering what you see here?

This pandemic has officials drawn to take actions in new and maybe unorthodox ways. The old tried and true method may no longer have any hold on them, including Trump, who has realized that his idea of getting back to normal by Easter isn’t practical.

As far as the old ways no longer being practical, I am guessing that the coming decade will see us chucking it/them out and forging new paths. A funeral service for Reaganomics?

The Green New Deal mindset is out there. If events force us to adopt sterner measures against the powers that be, it could be enacted to one degree or another. This pandemic may last longer than 5 weeks, and it may not be the last crisis of this 4T to force lawmakers to take steps on the scale that they just did, with even a right-wing president signing on. I'm not convinced that the events of the next decade will not include more and different such crises. Reaganomics will indeed die off, except among right-wing rebels that will still stir up a lot of trouble. But if the Democrats run the state, they will beat them off.

[beechnut79]

(03-31-2020, 12:07 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-30-2020, 10:13 PM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(03-30-2020, 07:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-26-2020, 04:57 PM)Ghost Wrote: *Turning 18 on November 8, 2016 (Trump v. Hillary election) may end up being similar to turning 18 on August 24, 1995 (Windows 95 release) from a historical generational standpoint.

*The Homelanders term may completely replace the Generation Z term, resulting in people born in 1997-2002 eventually becoming Millennials.

*9/11 until the 2008 crash may be viewed as the "gray area" between 3T and 4T.

*The coronavirus scare will be viewed as the "peak of the Fourth Turning".

Generation Z, people born in 1997-2002, will eventually become called Millennials. Any name based on the current crisis will not stick.

The peak of the Fourth Turning will come in 2025, and the climax in 2027.

The coronavirus crisis will be a prelude to a reform period that will end Reaganomics, so that the issues of our time can be addressed.

A Democrat will be elected to the White House in either 2020 or 2024, and if Trump is re-elected, a tsunami of sixth-year midterm democratic votes for congress will make him or Pence a virtual figurehead.

Danger of war in Asia increases in Dec. and Jan 2020, and danger of US intervention abroad in 2024-26. Secession or civil war is possible in 2024-26.

If Trump is voted out, he will resist, and if Trump is re-elected in 2020, the left-wing will resist. A right-wing rebellion will get violent by 2025 if the Democrats are in the White House.

China will undergo another challenge to authority in 2033, bringing an international crisis in 2035-36.

A new Awakening, much like the previous one, but less explosive or reckless, will begin in the mid-2040s.

I would put the cutoff for Millennials at 2000 or 2001. The most logical start date for them is 1982 as they would become of age for just about everything except drinking at the turn of the millennium. And while on that subject, do you think we’re see another movement to lower drinking age anytime soon. The US is just about the only place in the world that sets its minimum age at 21.

Do you feel that the biggest health related crisis in over a century may amplify both our emotions and our intuition, if it hasn’t done so already? And would both the emotional and financial carnage have been much worse if this had occurred in the pre-Internet age when very few could have performed their jobs from a home base?

The Homelander name seems the most logical for those born after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.  But the current crisis has caused for more retrenchment than either that event or the financial crisis of a few years later. Some are ready talking of being in a second Great Depression. You often mention a cycle of 84 years, which would now put us at the equivalent of 1936, right around the height of the dust bowl period. Most likely the year 2025 will see some event as shattering as was Pearl Harbor. But we have not yet seen anything approaching the New Deal type mindset occurring.

Even prior to COVID-19 there were so many who felt like they were being overwhelmed and just wanted to walk away from others and situations. A prelude to social distancing mandates? The increased stress loads were unexpected by futurists of yore who all but promised us a society of ever increasing leisure. Many have thought to have explored escaping through addictive habits such as drugs  or alcohol even though they are not nearly as mainstream as they were during the last Awakening. New reports are suggesting that we could have to remain in social distancing mode for approximately five weeks. Am wondering what you see here?

This pandemic has officials drawn to take actions in new and maybe unorthodox ways. The old tried and true method may no longer have any hold on them, including Trump, who has realized that his idea of getting back to normal by Easter isn’t practical.

As far as the old ways no longer being practical, I am guessing that the coming decade will see us chucking it/them out and forging new paths. A funeral service for Reaganomics?

The Green New Deal mindset is out there. If events force us to adopt sterner measures against the powers that be, it could be enacted to one degree or another. This pandemic may last longer than 5 weeks, and it may not be the last crisis of this 4T to force lawmakers to take steps on the scale that they just did, with even a right-wing president signing on. I'm not convinced that the events of the next decade will not include more and different such crises. Reaganomics will indeed die off, except among right-wing rebels that will still stir up a lot of trouble. But if the Democrats run the state, they will beat them off.

If what you are predicting does occur, might said right wing resurgents end up being blacklisted during the coming 1T much as communists and their sympathizers were in the last 1T?  Might we see the end of the days of extreme corporate supremacy? Do hope so.

[Ghost]

(03-31-2020, 10:30 AM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(03-31-2020, 12:07 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-30-2020, 10:13 PM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(03-30-2020, 07:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-26-2020, 04:57 PM)Ghost Wrote: *Turning 18 on November 8, 2016 (Trump v. Hillary election) may end up being similar to turning 18 on August 24, 1995 (Windows 95 release) from a historical generational standpoint.

*The Homelanders term may completely replace the Generation Z term, resulting in people born in 1997-2002 eventually becoming Millennials.

*9/11 until the 2008 crash may be viewed as the "gray area" between 3T and 4T.

*The coronavirus scare will be viewed as the "peak of the Fourth Turning".

Generation Z, people born in 1997-2002, will eventually become called Millennials. Any name based on the current crisis will not stick.

The peak of the Fourth Turning will come in 2025, and the climax in 2027.

The coronavirus crisis will be a prelude to a reform period that will end Reaganomics, so that the issues of our time can be addressed.

A Democrat will be elected to the White House in either 2020 or 2024, and if Trump is re-elected, a tsunami of sixth-year midterm democratic votes for congress will make him or Pence a virtual figurehead.

Danger of war in Asia increases in Dec. and Jan 2020, and danger of US intervention abroad in 2024-26. Secession or civil war is possible in 2024-26.

If Trump is voted out, he will resist, and if Trump is re-elected in 2020, the left-wing will resist. A right-wing rebellion will get violent by 2025 if the Democrats are in the White House.

China will undergo another challenge to authority in 2033, bringing an international crisis in 2035-36.

A new Awakening, much like the previous one, but less explosive or reckless, will begin in the mid-2040s.

I would put the cutoff for Millennials at 2000 or 2001. The most logical start date for them is 1982 as they would become of age for just about everything except drinking at the turn of the millennium. And while on that subject, do you think we’re see another movement to lower drinking age anytime soon. The US is just about the only place in the world that sets its minimum age at 21.

Do you feel that the biggest health related crisis in over a century may amplify both our emotions and our intuition, if it hasn’t done so already? And would both the emotional and financial carnage have been much worse if this had occurred in the pre-Internet age when very few could have performed their jobs from a home base?

The Homelander name seems the most logical for those born after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.  But the current crisis has caused for more retrenchment than either that event or the financial crisis of a few years later. Some are ready talking of being in a second Great Depression. You often mention a cycle of 84 years, which would now put us at the equivalent of 1936, right around the height of the dust bowl period. Most likely the year 2025 will see some event as shattering as was Pearl Harbor. But we have not yet seen anything approaching the New Deal type mindset occurring.

Even prior to COVID-19 there were so many who felt like they were being overwhelmed and just wanted to walk away from others and situations. A prelude to social distancing mandates? The increased stress loads were unexpected by futurists of yore who all but promised us a society of ever increasing leisure. Many have thought to have explored escaping through addictive habits such as drugs  or alcohol even though they are not nearly as mainstream as they were during the last Awakening. New reports are suggesting that we could have to remain in social distancing mode for approximately five weeks. Am wondering what you see here?

This pandemic has officials drawn to take actions in new and maybe unorthodox ways. The old tried and true method may no longer have any hold on them, including Trump, who has realized that his idea of getting back to normal by Easter isn’t practical.

As far as the old ways no longer being practical, I am guessing that the coming decade will see us chucking it/them out and forging new paths. A funeral service for Reaganomics?

The Green New Deal mindset is out there. If events force us to adopt sterner measures against the powers that be, it could be enacted to one degree or another. This pandemic may last longer than 5 weeks, and it may not be the last crisis of this 4T to force lawmakers to take steps on the scale that they just did, with even a right-wing president signing on. I'm not convinced that the events of the next decade will not include more and different such crises. Reaganomics will indeed die off, except among right-wing rebels that will still stir up a lot of trouble. But if the Democrats run the state, they will beat them off.

If what you are predicting does occur, might said right wing resurgents end up being blacklisted during the coming 1T much as communists and their sympathizers were in the last 1T?  Might we see the end of the days of extreme corporate supremacy? Do hope so.

My guess is that a lot of reactionaries (the pagan right, identitarians, etc) and radicals (Antifa, the "blue-haired freaks", etc) will ultimately falter overtime. That's probably the #1 sign that the 4T is coming to a close.

[Eric the Green]

(03-31-2020, 02:49 PM)Ghost Wrote:

(03-31-2020, 10:30 AM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(03-31-2020, 12:07 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-30-2020, 10:13 PM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(03-30-2020, 07:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Generation Z, people born in 1997-2002, will eventually become called Millennials. Any name based on the current crisis will not stick.

The peak of the Fourth Turning will come in 2025, and the climax in 2027.

The coronavirus crisis will be a prelude to a reform period that will end Reaganomics, so that the issues of our time can be addressed.

A Democrat will be elected to the White House in either 2020 or 2024, and if Trump is re-elected, a tsunami of sixth-year midterm democratic votes for congress will make him or Pence a virtual figurehead.

Danger of war in Asia increases in Dec. and Jan 2020, and danger of US intervention abroad in 2024-26. Secession or civil war is possible in 2024-26.

If Trump is voted out, he will resist, and if Trump is re-elected in 2020, the left-wing will resist. A right-wing rebellion will get violent by 2025 if the Democrats are in the White House.

China will undergo another challenge to authority in 2033, bringing an international crisis in 2035-36.

A new Awakening, much like the previous one, but less explosive or reckless, will begin in the mid-2040s.

I would put the cutoff for Millennials at 2000 or 2001. The most logical start date for them is 1982 as they would become of age for just about everything except drinking at the turn of the millennium. And while on that subject, do you think we’re see another movement to lower drinking age anytime soon. The US is just about the only place in the world that sets its minimum age at 21.

Do you feel that the biggest health related crisis in over a century may amplify both our emotions and our intuition, if it hasn’t done so already? And would both the emotional and financial carnage have been much worse if this had occurred in the pre-Internet age when very few could have performed their jobs from a home base?

The Homelander name seems the most logical for those born after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.  But the current crisis has caused for more retrenchment than either that event or the financial crisis of a few years later. Some are ready talking of being in a second Great Depression. You often mention a cycle of 84 years, which would now put us at the equivalent of 1936, right around the height of the dust bowl period. Most likely the year 2025 will see some event as shattering as was Pearl Harbor. But we have not yet seen anything approaching the New Deal type mindset occurring.

Even prior to COVID-19 there were so many who felt like they were being overwhelmed and just wanted to walk away from others and situations. A prelude to social distancing mandates? The increased stress loads were unexpected by futurists of yore who all but promised us a society of ever increasing leisure. Many have thought to have explored escaping through addictive habits such as drugs  or alcohol even though they are not nearly as mainstream as they were during the last Awakening. New reports are suggesting that we could have to remain in social distancing mode for approximately five weeks. Am wondering what you see here?

This pandemic has officials drawn to take actions in new and maybe unorthodox ways. The old tried and true method may no longer have any hold on them, including Trump, who has realized that his idea of getting back to normal by Easter isn’t practical.

As far as the old ways no longer being practical, I am guessing that the coming decade will see us chucking it/them out and forging new paths. A funeral service for Reaganomics?

The Green New Deal mindset is out there. If events force us to adopt sterner measures against the powers that be, it could be enacted to one degree or another. This pandemic may last longer than 5 weeks, and it may not be the last crisis of this 4T to force lawmakers to take steps on the scale that they just did, with even a right-wing president signing on. I'm not convinced that the events of the next decade will not include more and different such crises. Reaganomics will indeed die off, except among right-wing rebels that will still stir up a lot of trouble. But if the Democrats run the state, they will beat them off.

If what you are predicting does occur, might said right wing resurgents end up being blacklisted during the coming 1T much as communists and their sympathizers were in the last 1T?  Might we see the end of the days of extreme corporate supremacy? Do hope so.

My guess is that a lot of reactionaries (the pagan right, identitarians, etc) and radicals (Antifa, the "blue-haired freaks", etc) will ultimately falter overtime. That's probably the #1 sign that the 4T is coming to a close.

Yes, the end of the days of extreme corporate supremacy, at least temporarily. They will make a comeback later in the 1T, and then be challenged again in the late 2040s Awakening. 

Right wing reactionaries are far, far more violent, and far more powerful, than left wing radicals (antifa being mainly defensive, challenging right-wing rallies, riots and speakers), and they will have to be defeated by a government army, if Democrats occupy the White House. I would not called them pagans or identitarians, per se; they are racists, anti-welfare, anti-immigrant, pro-gun, anti-tax, anti-abortion/Christian fundie. But yes the defeat and decline of these reactionaries and radicals will be the sign that the 1T is starting.

[Ghost]

(03-31-2020, 03:23 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-31-2020, 02:49 PM)Ghost Wrote:

(03-31-2020, 10:30 AM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(03-31-2020, 12:07 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-30-2020, 10:13 PM)beechnut79 Wrote: I would put the cutoff for Millennials at 2000 or 2001. The most logical start date for them is 1982 as they would become of age for just about everything except drinking at the turn of the millennium. And while on that subject, do you think we’re see another movement to lower drinking age anytime soon. The US is just about the only place in the world that sets its minimum age at 21.

Do you feel that the biggest health related crisis in over a century may amplify both our emotions and our intuition, if it hasn’t done so already? And would both the emotional and financial carnage have been much worse if this had occurred in the pre-Internet age when very few could have performed their jobs from a home base?

The Homelander name seems the most logical for those born after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.  But the current crisis has caused for more retrenchment than either that event or the financial crisis of a few years later. Some are ready talking of being in a second Great Depression. You often mention a cycle of 84 years, which would now put us at the equivalent of 1936, right around the height of the dust bowl period. Most likely the year 2025 will see some event as shattering as was Pearl Harbor. But we have not yet seen anything approaching the New Deal type mindset occurring.

Even prior to COVID-19 there were so many who felt like they were being overwhelmed and just wanted to walk away from others and situations. A prelude to social distancing mandates? The increased stress loads were unexpected by futurists of yore who all but promised us a society of ever increasing leisure. Many have thought to have explored escaping through addictive habits such as drugs  or alcohol even though they are not nearly as mainstream as they were during the last Awakening. New reports are suggesting that we could have to remain in social distancing mode for approximately five weeks. Am wondering what you see here?

This pandemic has officials drawn to take actions in new and maybe unorthodox ways. The old tried and true method may no longer have any hold on them, including Trump, who has realized that his idea of getting back to normal by Easter isn’t practical.

As far as the old ways no longer being practical, I am guessing that the coming decade will see us chucking it/them out and forging new paths. A funeral service for Reaganomics?

The Green New Deal mindset is out there. If events force us to adopt sterner measures against the powers that be, it could be enacted to one degree or another. This pandemic may last longer than 5 weeks, and it may not be the last crisis of this 4T to force lawmakers to take steps on the scale that they just did, with even a right-wing president signing on. I'm not convinced that the events of the next decade will not include more and different such crises. Reaganomics will indeed die off, except among right-wing rebels that will still stir up a lot of trouble. But if the Democrats run the state, they will beat them off.

If what you are predicting does occur, might said right wing resurgents end up being blacklisted during the coming 1T much as communists and their sympathizers were in the last 1T?  Might we see the end of the days of extreme corporate supremacy? Do hope so.

My guess is that a lot of reactionaries (the pagan right, identitarians, etc) and radicals (Antifa, the "blue-haired freaks", etc) will ultimately falter overtime. That's probably the #1 sign that the 4T is coming to a close.

Yes, the end of the days of extreme corporate supremacy, at least temporarily. They will make a comeback later in the 1T, and then be challenged again in the late 2040s Awakening. 

Right wing reactionaries are far, far more violent, and far more powerful, than left wing radicals (antifa being mainly defensive, challenging right-wing rallies, riots and speakers), and they will have to be defeated by a government army, if Democrats occupy the White House. I would not called them pagans or identitarians, per se; they are racists, anti-welfare, anti-immigrant, pro-gun, anti-tax, anti-abortion/Christian fundie. But yes the defeat and decline of these reactionaries and radicals will be the sign that the 1T is starting.

I was talking more about the hardcore alt-right faction, the ones that are usually pagan, third positionist, followers of Evola, and vehemently racist (like Varg, Survive the Jive, and The Golden One to name a few).

[Eric the Green]

(03-31-2020, 04:50 PM)Ghost Wrote:

(03-31-2020, 03:23 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(03-31-2020, 02:49 PM)Ghost Wrote:

(03-31-2020, 10:30 AM)beechnut79 Wrote:

(03-31-2020, 12:07 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: The Green New Deal mindset is out there. If events force us to adopt sterner measures against the powers that be, it could be enacted to one degree or another. This pandemic may last longer than 5 weeks, and it may not be the last crisis of this 4T to force lawmakers to take steps on the scale that they just did, with even a right-wing president signing on. I'm not convinced that the events of the next decade will not include more and different such crises. Reaganomics will indeed die off, except among right-wing rebels that will still stir up a lot of trouble. But if the Democrats run the state, they will beat them off.

If what you are predicting does occur, might said right wing resurgents end up being blacklisted during the coming 1T much as communists and their sympathizers were in the last 1T?  Might we see the end of the days of extreme corporate supremacy? Do hope so.

My guess is that a lot of reactionaries (the pagan right, identitarians, etc) and radicals (Antifa, the "blue-haired freaks", etc) will ultimately falter overtime. That's probably the #1 sign that the 4T is coming to a close.

Yes, the end of the days of extreme corporate supremacy, at least temporarily. They will make a comeback later in the 1T, and then be challenged again in the late 2040s Awakening. 

Right wing reactionaries are far, far more violent, and far more powerful, than left wing radicals (antifa being mainly defensive, challenging right-wing rallies, riots and speakers), and they will have to be defeated by a government army, if Democrats occupy the White House. I would not called them pagans or identitarians, per se; they are racists, anti-welfare, anti-immigrant, pro-gun, anti-tax, anti-abortion/Christian fundie. But yes the defeat and decline of these reactionaries and radicals will be the sign that the 1T is starting.

I was talking more about the hardcore alt-right faction, the ones that are usually pagan, third positionist, followers of Evola, and vehemently racist (like Varg, Survive the Jive, and The Golden One to name a few).

I have no idea whom you mean. They are not the right-wing. The alt-right is the racist faction like Bannon, and they are also all Reaganoids who believe all those things you put in bold. The right-wing faction are those who hold those positions. They are the reactionaries who are liable to revolt if a Democrat is elected. Most of all they want to keep their guns so they can use them in this revolt.

[Warren Dew]

(04-01-2020, 02:51 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I have no idea whom you mean. They are not the right-wing.

Essentially the American equivalent of neonazis.  And no, they definitely do not approve of Reaganomics and neoliberalism.

[pbrower2a]

(03-26-2020, 04:57 PM)Ghost Wrote: *Turning 18 on November 8, 2016 (Trump v. Hillary election) may end up being similar to turning 18 on August 24, 1995 (Windows 95 release) from a historical generational standpoint.

*The Homelanders term may completely replace the Generation Z term, resulting in people born in 1997-2002 eventually becoming Millennials.

*9/11 until the 2008 crash may be viewed as the "gray area" between 3T and 4T.

*The coronavirus scare will be viewed as the "peak of the Fourth Turning".

You over-rate the importance of the release of Windows 95. It is not in the same league as the introduction of the mechanical reaper (which made farming so productive that multitudes could give up farm labor for something else), motion pictures that vastly changed the nature of entertainment, gramophones that allowed the storage of sound as books could store words, the electric light that extended day into the night, the automobile that supplanted the horse, radio and later television (broadcast television is really a form of radio) that created mass audiences for live entertainment, and rockets that put people into orbit... and especially satellites useful for all sorts of purposes. Don't forget the Internet itself. 

There are operating systems (including Linux) that developed independently of Windows. We are doing with computer software, quite frankly, mostly what we did before. OK, more people can create videos and we have far more choices.

The time from 9/11 to the Crash of 2008 isn't a "gray area"; it is clearly the latter, and so far invariably insidious, stage of of the 3T that leads into a Crisis Era for which few are prepared. I have suggested the term "Degeneracy" for a time of mindless hedonism, intensification of inequality, conservative trends in politics, social and economic corruption, and a steady stream of destructive failures. The conservatism is not so much a defense of benign tradition as it is an endorsement of the entrenchment of power among irresponsible elites. It ordinarily ends with the worst panic of the era as a speculative frenzy implodes. The frenzy is creating paper profits while gutting investment in plant and equipment that would augment productivity and create jobs. We had a crash in real estate that took the stock market with it in 2008 (there was no huge frenzy in stock speculation); this time the frenzy in buying securities has come to an end (don't fool yourself; the long Obama-Trump boom is over) and if the falling knife continues we will find a market collapse taking real estate values with it. Two big crashes? That can happen.   

OK -- the big one: COVID-19 threatens to kill Americans on the scale of wartime losses of an extended war (on the low end I would say either the Korean or Vietnam War; at the high end American combat and prisoner deaths in WWII, or even the Civil War if we really bungle things) in a short time. Americans are doing things generally contrary to normal just to avoid the sort of death (respiratory diseases) that we thought no longer happened in advanced societies except among people dying of other causes. We have shut down schools, libraries, museums, restaurants, casinos, and houses of worship. We are leery of meeting strangers as never before. All of this is contrary to our gregariousness, materialism, curiosity, greed, and hedonism. We are living miserably so that we can enjoy life again instead of dying pointless, unheroic deaths. 

It is different from combat in that the people dying in big numbers are not young men in battle. Deaths are happening in all age groups, but particularly (so far) the elderly. We could see huge economic disruptions if COVID-19 ravages certain occupational groups. I first noticed the "frequent flier" category that includes a wide array of well-off professionals who do the bulk of travel for commercial, cultural,  or administrative purposes -- business executives, politicians, academics, entertainers, physicians, attorneys, engineers, politicians... it is easy to understand such if one sees the airliner interior as an excellent means of spreading bacteria or viruses through the ventilation system.  It could just as easily spread on school buses or on any form of mass transit. Should the death toll be high enough, then we could see great devaluation in real estate. Recent years have been the landlord's dream with the highest residential rents in American history -- nominal and real. If that comes to an end, then we have some changes. 

I can imagine mass death bringing about a halt in residential and commercial construction. Unlike a war, COVID-19 kills people but without destroying real and personal property. Lots of stuff that deceased victims had as possessions (from antiques to motor vehicles) would create a glut on the market for such things. For survivors, mass death (ignoring the loss of loved ones) could mean higher pay and lower rents, and even shorter commutes. On the other hand, construction jobs that sop up huge numbers of workers of limited education could disappear. There would be shorter lines and lower ticket prices at amusement parks and other attractions. Fuel consumption will fall and so will fuel prices. 

Even global warming will abate some. 

COVID-19 -- warfare-scale tragedy in effect, but with no heroic stories in the aftermath.

[sbarrera]

Actually, there are heroic stories - that of healthcare workers and also low-wage workers in businesses deemed essential like grocery stores and pharmacies. And the culture is definitely portraying them as heroes.

[David Horn]

(04-02-2020, 11:02 AM)sbarrera Wrote: Actually, there are heroic stories - that of healthcare workers and also low-wage workers in businesses deemed essential like grocery stores and pharmacies. And the culture is definitely portraying them as heroes.

Two comments:

• It's about time that this fascination with the service provided by our military members and families got a little balance from the civilian public.  Yes, there are many essential, hardworking and brave people in this world, and not all wear a uniform.
  
• It's also about time that we started to prove that valuation by treating these folks well with better pay, benefits and recognition for starters.
  

[Eric the Green]

(04-01-2020, 09:01 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(04-01-2020, 02:51 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I have no idea whom you mean. They are not the right-wing.

Essentially the American equivalent of neonazis.  And no, they definitely do not approve of Reaganomics and neoliberalism.

The right wing always approves of Reaganomics and neoliberalism. Bannon, for example, famously announced that the Trump program is to destroy the administrative state. Neonazis are against paying taxes for welfare because it goes to black people, or so they suppose. Neonazis are pro-Christian fundamentalists. Nazis have always been corporate-based and against gun control. The right wing is virtually monolithic, although not all neo-liberals are explicitly racist, but their anti-welfare and anti-immigration policies are closet racist; Trump has brought racism back out into the open as explicit policy while keeping and expanding and taking neo-liberalism and Reaganomics far beyond Reagan, and Trump is supported by virtually the entire right wing and the entire Republican Party. The only right wing that counts and is likely to rebel is the right wing that is against taxes, welfare, abortion, gun control, immigration, civil rights, business regulation, anti-"communist," etc., those are their issues. The right-wing is Christian, not pagan. Pagans are liberals. And today, the right wing = Republicans. Gun control is the number one trigger issue. Those in this group who are violent may be a minority, but the question is how much violent resistance can they muster once Democrats take control again. Ask Classic Xer, maybe he has an idea.

My question was to Ghost's reference to "I was talking more about the hardcore alt-right faction, the ones that are usually pagan, third positionist, followers of Evola, and vehemently racist (like Varg, Survive the Jive, and The Golden One to name a few)." Noone knows who those people are. This is probably some millennial online culture and maybe even videogame culture. Not relevant. neo-Nazis are KKK and followers of Hitler, white power and Christianity as part of white culture. Everyone knows who they are.

I see from brief wikipedia articles about The Golden One and Evola is that Ghost has picked out a few obscure pagans and occultists from past and present from outside the USA who espouse racist beliefs. As someone inclined to some of those occult, hermetic and neo-pagan beliefs, I dissent from labeling the right-wing with them. Most right-wingers in the USA are Christian.

https://www.businessinsider.com/report-u...us-2018-11
https://youtu.be/kfUf1soIsrA

The radical right wing today is the merger of the TEA Party (Taxed Enough Already) and militia movements, conspiracy theory, white nationalism, anti-semitism, and the Christian Right, stoked by resistance to Obama and the rise of Trump.
https://youtu.be/OBCbC3p1SDA

Conservatives are Christians: https://www.pewforum.org/religious-lands...servative/

Right wing hate and religion: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/...n-religion

[Ghost]

(04-02-2020, 02:55 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(04-01-2020, 09:01 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(04-01-2020, 02:51 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I have no idea whom you mean. They are not the right-wing.

Essentially the American equivalent of neonazis.  And no, they definitely do not approve of Reaganomics and neoliberalism.

The right wing always approves of Reaganomics and neoliberalism. Bannon, for example, famously announced that the Trump program is to destroy the administrative state. Neonazis are against paying taxes for welfare because it goes to black people, or so they suppose. Neonazis are pro-Christian fundamentalists. Nazis have always been corporate-based and against gun control. The right wing is virtually monolithic, although not all neo-liberals are explicitly racist, but their anti-welfare and anti-immigration policies are closet racist; Trump has brought racism back out into the open as explicit policy while keeping and expanding and taking neo-liberalism and Reaganomics far beyond Reagan, and Trump is supported by virtually the entire right wing and the entire Republican Party. The only right wing that counts and is likely to rebel is the right wing that is against taxes, welfare, abortion, gun control, immigration, civil rights, business regulation, etc., those are their issues. The right-wing is Christian, not pagan. Pagans are liberals. And today, the right wing = Republicans. Gun control is the number one trigger issue.

My question was to Ghost's reference to "I was talking more about the hardcore alt-right faction, the ones that are usually pagan, third positionist, followers of Evola, and vehemently racist (like Varg, Survive the Jive, and The Golden One to name a few)." Noone knows who those people are. This is probably some millennial online culture and maybe even videogame culture. Not relevant. neo-Nazis are KKK and followers of Hitler, white power and Christianity as part of white culture. Everyone knows who they are.

There is a certain branch of extreme right-wingers that are pagan usually. They're usually called "Odinists" or "Odalists". They may say that they follow the religion of the ancient northern Europeans, but ironically, their religion is the ancient northern Europeans.

I don't know the ages of Survive the Jive or The Golden One, but Varg is definitely a Gen Xer (February 1973).

I feel like the ones who know about Varg know him for being in three black metal bands (Old Funeral, Mayhem, Burzum), burning down churches, and killing a bandmate. Some (albeit a smaller amount of people) might know him for escaping to France and going by a new name, his infamous YouTube channel, and now his Twitter.

[Snowflake1996]

(03-30-2020, 07:38 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Generation Z, people born in 1997-2002, will eventually become called Millennials. Any name based on the current crisis will not stick. 

I’m not sure where this would come from exactly. I was born in 1996 and graduated school a year late so most of my peers were born in 1997. I’m in the military at the moment so most of my peers were born in the mid 90’s to early 00’s and “zoomer” is the term virtually any of them born after 1997 use. 1995-1997 born ones seem to be the cutoff between millennial and zoomer. Unless the crisis you’re thinking of can unite millennials in their early 40’s in 2025-2027 with 22 year olds, I don’t see how “Zoomer” will fall out of use with my peers.

That would require a full scale war within the country or World War III.