Does this Crisis echo the Glorious Revolutuon?

[Warren Dew]

(01-23-2017, 06:42 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 06:30 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 05:03 PM)flbones too Wrote: Don't Hero genertions take over during the 1T? And the Idealists in the 2T? Might be wrong.

Kennedy was the first GI President, and ushered in the Consciousness Revolution.  There was little overlap with the postwar High.

The President is not everything. Look at the GIs across all of politics, and for that matter, across private life. Come on, the GIs were well entrenched during the 1950s! It's not like they had to wait until the mid 1960s to have power.

Denial is more than just a river in Africa.

The average age of the Senate was in the high 50s during the 1950s, so again, the GIs didn't take over until the end of the 1950s.  And that's ignoring the fact that the senior legislative positions are the more powerful ones.

[Mikebert]

Warren is right.  In the old agrarian saeculum the generation who came of age in one turning came to power in the next.  For example Nomads would be born in the 2T, coming of age in a 3T, running the society in a 4T and dead in a 1T.  In the modern saeculum a generation comes of age in one turning and comes to power two turnings later. So Prophets are born in a 1T, come of age in a 2T and come to power in a 4T (where they are called GCs) and are retired in the 1T.  In the modern saeculum, elite lifespan  occupied an entire saeculum.  In the old saeculum it was 3/4's of a saeculum.  This is why generation length got shorter in the early 19th century, but has been recently rising with rising elite lifespans.

[SomeGuy]

(01-23-2017, 07:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 06:42 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 06:30 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 05:03 PM)flbones too Wrote: Don't Hero genertions take over during the 1T? And the Idealists in the 2T? Might be wrong.

Kennedy was the first GI President, and ushered in the Consciousness Revolution.  There was little overlap with the postwar High.

The President is not everything. Look at the GIs across all of politics, and for that matter, across private life. Come on, the GIs were well entrenched during the 1950s! It's not like they had to wait until the mid 1960s to have power.

Denial is more than just a river in Africa.

The average age of the Senate was in the high 50s during the 1950s, so again, the GIs didn't take over until the end of the 1950s.  And that's ignoring the fact that the senior legislative positions are the more powerful ones.

And even if we set aside, you know, facts, there is a generation between Idealist and Civic that gets a say in the matter.  Remember, the theory states that in 4Ts, Prophets lead, Nomads manage, and Heroes follow orders, while Artists stay at home and STFU.  In the 1T, political change slows down as Reactives lead, Civics manage, and Adaptives do what they're told as the new order takes hold.  The era of Civic leadership of ever-bolder projects and Idealist rebellion against the same is, wait for it, the 2T!

It doesn't necessarily follow that exact model all the time at the Presidential level, since the Silents got squeezed out of the White House in the 3T and cusper Obama is followed by early wave Boomer DJT, but at the societal level it's pretty sound.  Millies are going to be gaining in power and prominence for the next few decades, but by the time we finish clearing out all of the cautious Xers the new Idealists will come along to throw a wrench into all of our big plans.

It's the cycle of life, man. 

[SomeGuy]

Quote:X are not going to be as much of a factor as Lost were.

Oh, do you have a crystal ball?  On what basis are you making that claim?

Quote:Millies are better equipped to lead than GIs were. The technology native thingey.

I dunno, the same could have been (and was) said about the GIs, who grew up with the cars, planes, radios, and other things that defined the 20th century.  And at this point, they were much better organized, and eventually fought and won a successful war.  The jury is still out on us Millies.

[Odin]

(01-20-2017, 12:24 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(01-20-2017, 09:36 AM)Odin Wrote:

(01-19-2017, 12:42 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(01-19-2017, 07:58 AM)Odin Wrote:

(01-19-2017, 03:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: You must choose your enemy. This is a 4T. Is your enemy the DNC and Hillary Clinton, who has lost and will never be heard from again? Or is it the American Nazis who put Mussolini reborn into power? Which side are you on?

Mayrypoza is one of those "Hate America First" types, the kind that will side with any vile dictator as long as they stick it to "evil AmeriKKKa". Putin has done a good job brainwashing those types by drawing them to RT, which is Russian state propaganda disguised as news and will often have stuff that panders to that sort of fringe Leftist.

We are so overdue for what I would deem a "good Nationalist" Left in this country. Ala FDR and JFK.

To do that we need to somehow overturn the long shadow left by Vietnam, which made that sort of thing unpalatable on the Left.

Haha! It always rolls back around to S&H!

Long shadow of Vietnam exiting = Boomers having less influence.

Oh, good point, there!

[Odin]

(01-23-2017, 10:38 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: When boomers say we need boomer influence, we're talking about "boomers like us", not "boomers like them", whoever "them" is.

The problem comes because all the different "like us" boomer groups can never get along.  Maybe that's how crises happen, once Idealists are free of the moderating influence of Adaptives.

That is exactly why Crises happen.

[SomeGuy]

(01-24-2017, 06:54 PM)Odin Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 10:38 AM)Warren Dew Wrote: When boomers say we need boomer influence, we're talking about "boomers like us", not "boomers like them", whoever "them" is.

The problem comes because all the different "like us" boomer groups can never get along.  Maybe that's how crises happen, once Idealists are free of the moderating influence of Adaptives.

That is exactly why Crises happen.

Tell that to Uranus!

You're welcome, Eric.

[Warren Dew]

(01-24-2017, 11:57 AM)SomeGuy Wrote:

Quote:X are not going to be as much of a factor as Lost were.

Oh, do you have a crystal ball?  On what basis are you making that claim?

Quote:Millies are better equipped to lead than GIs were. The technology native thingey.

I dunno, the same could have been (and was) said about the GIs, who grew up with the cars, planes, radios, and other things that defined the 20th century.  And at this point, they were much better organized, and eventually fought and won a successful war.  The jury is still out on us Millies.

Provided the US comes out of the crisis intact, X, specifically people like Classic and Galen as represented by people like Cruz, are likely to do exactly the same thing that the Lost did - ensuring that the collective consensus that emerges from the regeneracy contains provisions safeguarding some degree of indiviidual rights, and providing a generation of caretaker leadership during the first turning.

Back when I was younger, I used to wonder where various personal liberty safeguards - like restrictions on use of IRS information, and allergies to requirements for universal ID - came from.  They certainly didn't come from the politically active factions during the Consciousness Revolution.

As I watch how X develops, it becomes clearer and clearer that those safeguards came from the Lost.  Reactives do their good deeds anonymously, without feeling a need to claim credit.  While this cycle's safeguards will be different, I feel confident that they will be there.

Classic and Galen, let me pass along thanks from my as yet unborn Idealist grandchildren.

[Galen]

(01-24-2017, 10:06 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: Provided the US comes out of the crisis intact, X, specifically people like Classic and Galen as represented by people like Cruz, are likely to do exactly the same thing that the Lost did - ensuring that the collective consensus that emerges from the regeneracy contains provisions safeguarding some degree of indiviidual rights, and providing a generation of caretaker leadership during the first turning.

Back when I was younger, I used to wonder where various personal liberty safeguards - like restrictions on use of IRS information, and allergies to requirements for universal ID - came from.  They certainly didn't come from the politically active factions during the Consciousness Revolution.

As I watch how X develops, it becomes clearer and clearer that those safeguards came from the Lost.  Reactives do their good deeds anonymously, without feeling a need to claim credit.  While this cycle's safeguards will be different, I feel confident that they will be there.

Classic and Galen, let me pass along thanks from my as yet unborn Idealist grandchildren.

The Lost is also where the Presidential term limits came from.  They did that as soon as FDR was planted in the ground and the war was over to start the amendment process.  Hell, knowing them as I do they probably started planning it before the body was cold.

You are right about the Boomers and Silent generations.  They never really did lose their faith in government, the god most of them truly worship.

It has been interesting watch Generation X become more like the Lost that I knew so long ago.  One thing Nomad generations understand is how badly things can go wrong and we plan for it.  The Boomers never did figure out that we often know what their next move is before they do.

[Marypoza]

(01-23-2017, 09:11 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 07:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 06:42 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 06:30 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 05:03 PM)flbones too Wrote: Don't Hero genertions take over during the 1T? And the Idealists in the 2T? Might be wrong.

Kennedy was the first GI President, and ushered in the Consciousness Revolution.  There was little overlap with the postwar High.

The President is not everything. Look at the GIs across all of politics, and for that matter, across private life. Come on, the GIs were well entrenched during the 1950s! It's not like they had to wait until the mid 1960s to have power.

Denial is more than just a river in Africa.

The average age of the Senate was in the high 50s during the 1950s, so again, the GIs didn't take over until the end of the 1950s.  And that's ignoring the fact that the senior legislative positions are the more powerful ones.

And even if we set aside, you know, facts, there is a generation between Idealist and Civic that gets a say in the matter.  Remember, the theory states that in 4Ts, Prophets lead, Nomads manage, and Heroes follow orders, while Artists stay at home and STFU.

-- but l don't want Bernie to stay home & STFU
Nancy, otoh- past time to retire bitch

SomeGuy Wrote:yada yada....j all the time at the Presidential level, since the Silents got squeezed out of the White House...

-- both Bernie & Uncle Joe are considering 2020 runs.....

 

SomeGuy Wrote:Millies are going to be gaining in power and prominence for the next few decades, but by the time we finish clearing out all of the cautious Xers the new Idealists will come along to throw a wrench into all of our big plans.

It's the cycle of life, man. 

-- l wouldn't be surprised if the Millies took over as early as 2024, esp if this Crisis is similar to the Civil War. The Transcendentals all got thrown out of power. The Millies could very well ahem, drain the swamp, throwing out both Boomers & Xers, as well as any remaining Silents. Except for Bernie, that is.

[Eric the Green]

(01-30-2017, 11:39 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 09:11 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 07:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 06:42 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 06:30 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: Kennedy was the first GI President, and ushered in the Consciousness Revolution.  There was little overlap with the postwar High.

The President is not everything. Look at the GIs across all of politics, and for that matter, across private life. Come on, the GIs were well entrenched during the 1950s! It's not like they had to wait until the mid 1960s to have power.

Denial is more than just a river in Africa.

The average age of the Senate was in the high 50s during the 1950s, so again, the GIs didn't take over until the end of the 1950s.  And that's ignoring the fact that the senior legislative positions are the more powerful ones.

And even if we set aside, you know, facts, there is a generation between Idealist and Civic that gets a say in the matter.  Remember, the theory states that in 4Ts, Prophets lead, Nomads manage, and Heroes follow orders, while Artists stay at home and STFU.

-- but l don't want Bernie to stay home & STFU
Nancy, otoh- past time to retire bitch

SomeGuy Wrote:yada yada....j all the time at the Presidential level, since the Silents got squeezed out of the White House...

-- both Bernie & Uncle Joe are considering 2020 runs.....

 

SomeGuy Wrote:Millies are going to be gaining in power and prominence for the next few decades, but by the time we finish clearing out all of the cautious Xers the new Idealists will come along to throw a wrench into all of our big plans.

It's the cycle of life, man. 

-- l wouldn't be surprised if the Millies took over as early as 2024, esp if this Crisis is similar to the Civil War. The Transcendentals all got thrown out of power. The Millies could very well ahem, drain the swamp, throwing out both Boomers & Xers, as well as any remaining Silents. Except for Bernie, that is.

The Transcendentals got thrown out of power AFTER the Civil War AND early Reconstruction. In our 4T the analogous years won't come until the 2030s.

I don't get why Marypoza is so down on Nancy Pelosi. She's a dedicated progressive. Not as perfect as Bernie, but who is? Certainly not that deceived young thing from Hawaii.

[Marypoza]

(01-31-2017, 12:23 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-30-2017, 11:39 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 09:11 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 07:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 06:42 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: The President is not everything. Look at the GIs across all of politics, and for that matter, across private life. Come on, the GIs were well entrenched during the 1950s! It's not like they had to wait until the mid 1960s to have power.

Denial is more than just a river in Africa.

The average age of the Senate was in the high 50s during the 1950s, so again, the GIs didn't take over until the end of the 1950s.  And that's ignoring the fact that the senior legislative positions are the more powerful ones.

And even if we set aside, you know, facts, there is a generation between Idealist and Civic that gets a say in the matter.  Remember, the theory states that in 4Ts, Prophets lead, Nomads manage, and Heroes follow orders, while Artists stay at home and STFU.

-- but l don't want Bernie to stay home & STFU
Nancy, otoh- past time to retire bitch

SomeGuy Wrote:yada yada....j all the time at the Presidential level, since the Silents got squeezed out of the White House...

-- both Bernie & Uncle Joe are considering 2020 runs.....

 

SomeGuy Wrote:Millies are going to be gaining in power and prominence for the next few decades, but by the time we finish clearing out all of the cautious Xers the new Idealists will come along to throw a wrench into all of our big plans.

It's the cycle of life, man. 

-- l wouldn't be surprised if the Millies took over as early as 2024, esp if this Crisis is similar to the Civil War. The Transcendentals all got thrown out of power. The Millies could very well ahem, drain the swamp, throwing out both Boomers & Xers, as well as any remaining Silents. Except for Bernie, that is.

The Transcendentals got thrown out of power AFTER the Civil War AND early Reconstruction. In our 4T the analogous years won't come until the 2030s.

I don't get why Marypoza is so down on Nancy Pelosi. She's a dedicated progressive. Not as perfect as Bernie, but who is? Certainly not that deceived young thing from Hawaii.

-- l want a new direction. She don't. l'll bet you voted 4 her too

ps, Tulsi is a Millie. The wave of the future

[Ragnarök_62]

(01-31-2017, 12:36 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 12:23 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-30-2017, 11:39 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 09:11 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 07:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: The average age of the Senate was in the high 50s during the 1950s, so again, the GIs didn't take over until the end of the 1950s.  And that's ignoring the fact that the senior legislative positions are the more powerful ones.

And even if we set aside, you know, facts, there is a generation between Idealist and Civic that gets a say in the matter.  Remember, the theory states that in 4Ts, Prophets lead, Nomads manage, and Heroes follow orders, while Artists stay at home and STFU.

-- but l don't want Bernie to stay home & STFU
Nancy, otoh- past time to retire bitch

SomeGuy Wrote:yada yada....j all the time at the Presidential level, since the Silents got squeezed out of the White House...

-- both Bernie & Uncle Joe are considering 2020 runs.....

 

SomeGuy Wrote:Millies are going to be gaining in power and prominence for the next few decades, but by the time we finish clearing out all of the cautious Xers the new Idealists will come along to throw a wrench into all of our big plans.

It's the cycle of life, man. 

-- l wouldn't be surprised if the Millies took over as early as 2024, esp if this Crisis is similar to the Civil War. The Transcendentals all got thrown out of power. The Millies could very well ahem, drain the swamp, throwing out both Boomers & Xers, as well as any remaining Silents. Except for Bernie, that is.

The Transcendentals got thrown out of power AFTER the Civil War AND early Reconstruction. In our 4T the analogous years won't come until the 2030s.

I don't get why Marypoza is so down on Nancy Pelosi. She's a dedicated progressive. Not as perfect as Bernie, but who is? Certainly not that deceived young thing from Hawaii.

-- l want a new direction. She don't. l'll bet you voted 4 her too

ps, Tulsi is a Millie. The wave of the future

No, she's an Xer, barely.  Born in 1981.

[Eric the Green]

(01-24-2017, 10:06 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-24-2017, 11:57 AM)SomeGuy Wrote:

Quote:X are not going to be as much of a factor as Lost were.

Oh, do you have a crystal ball?  On what basis are you making that claim?

Quote:Millies are better equipped to lead than GIs were. The technology native thingey.

I dunno, the same could have been (and was) said about the GIs, who grew up with the cars, planes, radios, and other things that defined the 20th century.  And at this point, they were much better organized, and eventually fought and won a successful war.  The jury is still out on us Millies.

Provided the US comes out of the crisis intact, X, specifically people like Classic and Galen as represented by people like Cruz, are likely to do exactly the same thing that the Lost did - ensuring that the collective consensus that emerges from the regeneracy contains provisions safeguarding some degree of indiviidual rights, and providing a generation of caretaker leadership during the first turning.

Back when I was younger, I used to wonder where various personal liberty safeguards - like restrictions on use of IRS information, and allergies to requirements for universal ID - came from.  They certainly didn't come from the politically active factions during the Consciousness Revolution.

As I watch how X develops, it becomes clearer and clearer that those safeguards came from the Lost.  Reactives do their good deeds anonymously, without feeling a need to claim credit.  While this cycle's safeguards will be different, I feel confident that they will be there.

Classic and Galen, let me pass along thanks from my as yet unborn Idealist grandchildren.

No, they only give slogans of freedom, intended to deceive; not the real thing. Cruz would not protect any liberties. No, Idealist hippies types are allergic to universal ID. Listen to Jefferson Starship's first album.

[Eric the Green]

(01-31-2017, 12:36 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 12:23 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-30-2017, 11:39 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 09:11 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 07:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: The average age of the Senate was in the high 50s during the 1950s, so again, the GIs didn't take over until the end of the 1950s.  And that's ignoring the fact that the senior legislative positions are the more powerful ones.

And even if we set aside, you know, facts, there is a generation between Idealist and Civic that gets a say in the matter.  Remember, the theory states that in 4Ts, Prophets lead, Nomads manage, and Heroes follow orders, while Artists stay at home and STFU.

-- but l don't want Bernie to stay home & STFU
Nancy, otoh- past time to retire bitch

SomeGuy Wrote:yada yada....j all the time at the Presidential level, since the Silents got squeezed out of the White House...

-- both Bernie & Uncle Joe are considering 2020 runs.....

 

SomeGuy Wrote:Millies are going to be gaining in power and prominence for the next few decades, but by the time we finish clearing out all of the cautious Xers the new Idealists will come along to throw a wrench into all of our big plans.

It's the cycle of life, man. 

-- l wouldn't be surprised if the Millies took over as early as 2024, esp if this Crisis is similar to the Civil War. The Transcendentals all got thrown out of power. The Millies could very well ahem, drain the swamp, throwing out both Boomers & Xers, as well as any remaining Silents. Except for Bernie, that is.

The Transcendentals got thrown out of power AFTER the Civil War AND early Reconstruction. In our 4T the analogous years won't come until the 2030s.

I don't get why Marypoza is so down on Nancy Pelosi. She's a dedicated progressive. Not as perfect as Bernie, but who is? Certainly not that deceived young thing from Hawaii.

-- l want a new direction. She don't. l'll bet you voted 4 her too

ps, Tulsi is a Millie. The wave of the future

I'm not in her district. I did vote for my Democratic congressperson Anna Eshoo.

ps Tulsi is an idiot. A danger to the future

Sounds like a mere generational preference. The "new direction" we need is the same progressive direction we've had. We just need to finally shove the Republicons out of the way.

The Millies will be very dominant as voters in 2024. But not yet as officeholders. That election will be the first in which all millies are of voting age, but not yet hardly any homelanders.

[Marypoza]

(01-31-2017, 12:50 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 12:36 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 12:23 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-30-2017, 11:39 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 09:11 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: And even if we set aside, you know, facts, there is a generation between Idealist and Civic that gets a say in the matter.  Remember, the theory states that in 4Ts, Prophets lead, Nomads manage, and Heroes follow orders, while Artists stay at home and STFU.

-- but l don't want Bernie to stay home & STFU
Nancy, otoh- past time to retire bitch

SomeGuy Wrote:yada yada....j all the time at the Presidential level, since the Silents got squeezed out of the White House...

-- both Bernie & Uncle Joe are considering 2020 runs.....

 

SomeGuy Wrote:Millies are going to be gaining in power and prominence for the next few decades, but by the time we finish clearing out all of the cautious Xers the new Idealists will come along to throw a wrench into all of our big plans.

It's the cycle of life, man. 

-- l wouldn't be surprised if the Millies took over as early as 2024, esp if this Crisis is similar to the Civil War. The Transcendentals all got thrown out of power. The Millies could very well ahem, drain the swamp, throwing out both Boomers & Xers, as well as any remaining Silents. Except for Bernie, that is.

The Transcendentals got thrown out of power AFTER the Civil War AND early Reconstruction. In our 4T the analogous years won't come until the 2030s.

I don't get why Marypoza is so down on Nancy Pelosi. She's a dedicated progressive. Not as perfect as Bernie, but who is? Certainly not that deceived young thing from Hawaii.

-- l want a new direction. She don't. l'll bet you voted 4 her too

ps, Tulsi is a Millie. The wave of the future

No, she's an Xer, barely.  Born in 1981.

-- omg she is! So is my oldest nephew! I've been calling him a Millie too! Well he acts like one. 

[Marypoza]

(01-31-2017, 12:54 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 12:36 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 12:23 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-30-2017, 11:39 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-23-2017, 09:11 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: And even if we set aside, you know, facts, there is a generation between Idealist and Civic that gets a say in the matter.  Remember, the theory states that in 4Ts, Prophets lead, Nomads manage, and Heroes follow orders, while Artists stay at home and STFU.

-- but l don't want Bernie to stay home & STFU
Nancy, otoh- past time to retire bitch

SomeGuy Wrote:yada yada....j all the time at the Presidential level, since the Silents got squeezed out of the White House...

-- both Bernie & Uncle Joe are considering 2020 runs.....

 

SomeGuy Wrote:Millies are going to be gaining in power and prominence for the next few decades, but by the time we finish clearing out all of the cautious Xers the new Idealists will come along to throw a wrench into all of our big plans.

It's the cycle of life, man. 

-- l wouldn't be surprised if the Millies took over as early as 2024, esp if this Crisis is similar to the Civil War. The Transcendentals all got thrown out of power. The Millies could very well ahem, drain the swamp, throwing out both Boomers & Xers, as well as any remaining Silents. Except for Bernie, that is.

The Transcendentals got thrown out of power AFTER the Civil War AND early Reconstruction. In our 4T the analogous years won't come until the 2030s.

I don't get why Marypoza is so down on Nancy Pelosi. She's a dedicated progressive. Not as perfect as Bernie, but who is? Certainly not that deceived young thing from Hawaii.

-- l want a new direction. She don't. l'll bet you voted 4 her too

ps, Tulsi is a Millie. The wave of the future

I'm not in her district. I did vote for my Democratic congressperson Anna Eshoo.

ps Tulsi is an idiot. A danger to the future

Sounds like a mere generational preference. The "new direction" we need is the same progressive direction we've had. We just need to finally shove the Republicons out of the way.

-- & the neolibtards & the vile progs. We  need real progressive direction. Nancy & her buds ain't offering that. 
You're right about them offering same old same old, however. I don't want that. Are you familiar with the Einsteinian definition of insanity?

[Ragnarök_62]

(01-31-2017, 01:02 AM)Marypoza Wrote: I'm not in her district. I did vote for my Democratic congressperson Anna Eshoo.

ps Tulsi is an idiot. A danger to the future

Sounds like a mere generational preference. The "new direction" we need is the same progressive direction we've had. We just need to finally shove the Republicons out of the way.

-- & the neolibtards & the vile progs. We  need real progressive direction. Nancy & her buds ain't offering that. 
You're right about them offering same old same old, however. I don't want that. Are you familiar with the Einsteinian definition of insanity?

In the case of wars of choice , no Eric has no idea wrt the Einsteinian definition of insanity.  That's why he thinks Tulsi is a menace.  Also, Eric is allergic to Xers.

[Eric the Green]

(01-31-2017, 01:02 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 12:54 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 12:36 AM)Marypoza Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 12:23 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-30-2017, 11:39 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- but l don't want Bernie to stay home & STFU
Nancy, otoh- past time to retire bitch



-- both Bernie & Uncle Joe are considering 2020 runs.....

 

-- l wouldn't be surprised if the Millies took over as early as 2024, esp if this Crisis is similar to the Civil War. The Transcendentals all got thrown out of power. The Millies could very well ahem, drain the swamp, throwing out both Boomers & Xers, as well as any remaining Silents. Except for Bernie, that is.

The Transcendentals got thrown out of power AFTER the Civil War AND early Reconstruction. In our 4T the analogous years won't come until the 2030s.

I don't get why Marypoza is so down on Nancy Pelosi. She's a dedicated progressive. Not as perfect as Bernie, but who is? Certainly not that deceived young thing from Hawaii.

-- l want a new direction. She don't. l'll bet you voted 4 her too

ps, Tulsi is a Millie. The wave of the future

I'm not in her district. I did vote for my Democratic congressperson Anna Eshoo.

ps Tulsi is an idiot. A danger to the future

Sounds like a mere generational preference. The "new direction" we need is the same progressive direction we've had. We just need to finally shove the Republicons out of the way.

-- & the neolibtards & the vile progs. We  need real progressive direction. Nancy & her buds ain't offering that. 
You're right about them offering same old same old, however. I don't want that. Are you familiar with the Einsteinian definition of insanity?

I don't see that you have given any basis for saying why you don't want what Nancy and her buds offer.

Other than perhaps clinging to Tulsi's horrendous delusions. Imagine someone who is blind to the fact that a tyrant has killed 400,000 of his people, and blames it on the rebels against him instead, and even the USA which has done almost nothing. I have no respect for holocaust deniers like Tulsi. I have respect for people rising up against tyrants for freedom and justice. That's progress to me; maybe not to you and Tulsi?

[Eric the Green]

(01-31-2017, 01:06 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

(01-31-2017, 01:02 AM)Marypoza Wrote: I'm not in her district. I did vote for my Democratic congressperson Anna Eshoo.

ps Tulsi is an idiot. A danger to the future

Sounds like a mere generational preference. The "new direction" we need is the same progressive direction we've had. We just need to finally shove the Republicons out of the way.

-- & the neolibtards & the vile progs. We  need real progressive direction. Nancy & her buds ain't offering that. 
You're right about them offering same old same old, however. I don't want that. Are you familiar with the Einsteinian definition of insanity?

In the case of wars of choice , no Eric has no idea wrt the Einsteinian definition of insanity.  That's why he thinks Tulsi is a menace.  Also, Eric is allergic to Xers.

You are holding on to that insanity, Rags. There is no war of choice going on where Tulsi is concerned. There can't be a war of choice where there is no USA war going on. No, insanity is just making up something, and then continuing to believe it's going on in spite of all evidence and truth. That describes the attitude of Tulsi, Marypoza and Rags in regard to Syria.

Most Xer candidates have been bad. That's not my fault. There are some fine Xer politicians, but few if any have stepped up to run, or have any chance. Now, if Seth Meyers would run....

Xers are no worse than Boomers now as voters; maybe better because they are younger. But most Xer politicians are victims of the Reagan Counter-revolution and grew up under its spell. Like Rubio and Cruz. No thanks.

Of course, as far as the presidency is concerned, many Xers face the Saturn Return obstacle now. That would not stop them from holding other offices though, probably. The youngest Boomers have just been freed from the Saturn Return.