Who are you voting for in 2016?

[Kinser79]

You know...every time I see The Guardian Vox listed as a source I know I can disregard it as that is little more than a Regressive Left rag that isn't even fit for use in an outhouse.

[Odin]

(05-16-2016, 07:54 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: You know...every time I see The Guardian Vox listed as a source I know I can disregard it as that is little more than a Regressive Left rag that isn't even fit for use in an outhouse.

The pot calling the kettle black, given your using Breitbart as a source.

[Ragnarök_62]

(05-16-2016, 08:16 PM)Odin Wrote: The pot calling the kettle black, given your using Breitbart as a source.

Visual aide needed!

[Kinser79]

(05-16-2016, 08:16 PM)Odin Wrote:

(05-16-2016, 07:54 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: You know...every time I see The Guardian Vox listed as a source I know I can disregard it as that is little more than a Regressive Left rag that isn't even fit for use in an outhouse.

The pot calling the kettle black, given your using Breitbart as a source.

On the contrary. The "renegade Jew" comment was written by David Horowitz. I'll let you guess his ethnicity. I'll even give you a few hints. They speak Hebrew, they believe in male genital mutilation, and their religion is monotheistic.

[Eric the Green]

(05-07-2016, 12:38 PM)Odin Wrote: I live in a safely Blue state so I can vote for a 3rd party candidate for president without "Nader Guilt". Straight Dem in all the other races.

Minnesota is not safely blue. So that's not a factor in your decision.

[Eric the Green]

(05-13-2016, 03:54 PM)radind Wrote:

(05-13-2016, 03:27 PM)Galen Wrote:

(05-13-2016, 07:43 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: I myself have become convinced that it is either Trump or the end of Western Civilization.  Since I kinda like Western Civilization (cause we got...) that made my mind up.

I am of the opinion that Western Civilization ended when the First World War started up and that it took about a century for anyone to notice.  I use that point because that war appears to me to be the catalyst that paved the way for the era of the total state which may be ending now due to simple bankruptcy.

That said I have no problem with giving Trump a chance since the usual suspects are known crooks, completely incompetent or both.

I have read from two sources that WWI was the start of the decline of Western Civilization because many decided  after the war that the German philosophers were correct in asserting that " God is dead".

This echoes my astrological theory of the cycle of civilization, which states that Neptune conjoining Pluto at the end of the 19th century heralded the end of a cycle, which lasts almost 500 years. The previous cycle began with the Renaissance and the voyages of discovery and imperialism. This cycle is quite visible in the arts as well as politics, etc. But since the new civilization will last 500 years from 1892, it will not end soon as Galen predicts. The power of the corporate state will be around for a while longer yet.

Trump of course is the biggest clown on the planet.

[Galen]

(05-16-2016, 10:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The power of the corporate state will be around for a while longer yet.

Given that it took a hundred years to go from laissez faire to the statist monstrosity that we have now, I never implied that it would take place tomorrow.  Think in terms of the decline of the Church in Europe about five hundred years ago.  It was bankrupt both morally and fiscally and it and its clergy were looked upon with contempt.  Much the way modern governments and their employees are now.  It is unlikely that the state will remain the preeminent institution under those conditions in the long term.

[Odin]

(05-16-2016, 08:55 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: On the contrary.  The "renegade Jew" comment was written by David Horowitz.  I'll let you guess his ethnicity.  I'll even give you a few hints.  They speak Hebrew, they believe in male genital mutilation, and their religion is monotheistic.

They covered that in the article. It's called talking with both sides of one's mouth.

[Odin]

(05-16-2016, 10:07 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(05-07-2016, 12:38 PM)Odin Wrote: I live in a safely Blue state so I can vote for a 3rd party candidate for president without "Nader Guilt". Straight Dem in all the other races.

Minnesota is not safely blue. So that's not a factor in your decision.

Minnesota has not voted for a Republican for president for decades.

[playwrite]

(05-16-2016, 07:54 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: You know...every time I see The Guardian Vox listed as a source I know I can disregard it as that is little more than a Regressive Left rag that isn't even fit for use in an outhouse.

I realize that you are beyond reaching, but for those who want to know the difference -

The Vox article references the NY Times article which provides actual interviews with several sources.  It also goes to legal dispositions that were presented in a courtroom. It provides direct quotes from Trump as well as others and references them by name, and even a video clip of Trump telling a female contestant on "the Apprendice" that she would be a pretty sight to be on her knees.

In contrast, Kinser79's Breitbart link is simply a regurgitation of what was presented on Faux News by one of their 'analyst,' Stuart Varney, who uses a report by a guy, Charles Ortel, who is described as a Newport Value Partners LLC, which provides independent investment research to professional investors, as well as an occasional writer for the Moonies' Washington Times newspaper (beginning to get a clue?).  More revealing is Ortel is one of the authors of "The Betrayal Papers" which includes "birthers, "school transcript demanders" and has this gem of an introduction -

http://theamericanreport.org/the-betrayal-papers/

Quote:The Betrayal Papers

The Muslim Brotherhood is a fundamentalist Islamic organization recognized by many as the parent group of many of today’s terror organizations.  While the Muslim Brotherhood’s goal is a worldwide Islamic State (aka, Caliphate), it has established influence over the highest levels of American government.
This revelation has become an indisputable fact for those who examine the evidence.
The Betrayal Papers is a six-part, research and multimedia campaign that presents this evidence.  It demonstrates the incredible influence that the Muslim Brotherhood exerts over the Obama administration, many members of Congress, and on American policy foreign and domestic.

And with just a tad of googling, it goes downhill pretty fast from there.

Clearly, with his move to the new forum, Kinser has decided not to raise his tired old game.

[Cynic Hero '86]

As I mentioned before an unspoken reason for trump's policies is our entire economy's dependence on petrodollars. Because of this, the saudis, the russians or the chinese can simply cut of our oil (in the case of the saudis) or shift the world's reserve currency to something other than the dollar (in the case of China and Russia). If That occurs the US economy would immediately crumble and we would be reduced to a pre-industrial subsistence economy practically overnight. Zerohedge has published many articles explaining how this process would come about.

[Galen]

(05-17-2016, 12:34 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: As I mentioned before an unspoken reason for trump's policies is our entire economy's dependence on petrodollars. Because of this, the saudis, the russians or the chinese can simply cut of our oil (in the case of the saudis) or shift the world's reserve currency to something other than the dollar (in the case of China and Russia). If That occurs the US economy would immediately crumble and we would be reduced to a pre-industrial subsistence economy practically overnight. Zerohedge has published many articles explaining how this process would come about.

More likely ending up like Venezuela which has been reduced by socialism to a third world shit hole.

[Kinser79]

(05-17-2016, 07:36 AM)Odin Wrote:

(05-16-2016, 08:55 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: On the contrary.  The "renegade Jew" comment was written by David Horowitz.  I'll let you guess his ethnicity.  I'll even give you a few hints.  They speak Hebrew, they believe in male genital mutilation, and their religion is monotheistic.

They covered that in the article. It's called talking with both sides of one's mouth.

No it is called liberal hypocrisy. Willian Kristol is a real piece of shit. It takes a lot of work to get both sides of the political spectrum to hate you. Somehow he managed.

ETA: Good to see playdude here. I expect Glick to start posting any day now.

[Classic-Xer]

(05-14-2016, 04:24 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(05-14-2016, 04:20 PM)TnT Wrote: Just for the sake of argument, if society evolved somehow so that a large fraction of the folks began to think that complimenting someone is too forward or too intrusive or something, then the civil thing to do would be to dial it back.  However, I don't think we are anywhere near such.  No doubt, someplace on the InterWebs, there's a woman shrieking about being complimented.  Doesn't mean it's really an issue though.  I'll wait for more evidence.

Actually we already are at that point.  Have been for about half a decade now.  Or have you not kept up with intersectional feminism?

The end result is that retreat is the wrong course of action.  These very people I complain of will not be satisfied until they control all speech, and if they are right thought--thankfully they are wrong.  The end result of course is that the US will become one of those countries where people shoot each other over politics because in societies where people don't talk about politics they end up shooting each other over politics.

 Controlling the speech of a bunch of political pussies is one thing. Controlling the speech of millions of people who don't give a shit about what might happen to them is another thing. The prissy people of the "bubble" world better wise up.

[Mikebert]

(05-07-2016, 04:19 AM)Galen Wrote: I would feel better if I knew why Trump is running. 

Isn't it obvious?  He wants to be president.

[Mikebert]

(05-17-2016, 12:34 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: As I mentioned before an unspoken reason for trump's policies is our entire economy's dependence on petrodollars. Because of this, the saudis...can simply cut of our oil.)...If That occurs the US economy would immediately crumble and we would be reduced to a pre-industrial subsistence economy practically overnight.

Are you unaware that the US is a top oil producer?  If the Saudis were to cut off world oils sales it would drive world oil prices up.  With higher prices US frackers would be back in the pink and the previous growth trend would resume.  With higher prices, demand for gas and diesel would decline.  US oil production would match oil consumption long before US per capita consumption began to approach the levels in the rest of the industrialized worth.  The adjustment would involve a nasty recession, but we are due for one anyways with the overvalued asset markets.  Higher oil prices would speed the development of alternatives.  Net impact over the intermediate terms would be favorable to the US.

Meanwhile the impact on Saudi Arabia would be catastrophic. Without oil sales their government would run out of money in just a year or so, there would be economic depression and it is possible the government would fall.  If it *ever* made sense for the Saudis to cut off oil sales they would have done if it BEFORE the fracking boom.  Now if they were to do it, it doesn't hurt us and really hurts them.  I wish they would do it, I intensely dislike the Saudi regime.

[Mikebert]

(05-17-2016, 12:34 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: As I mentioned before an unspoken reason for trump's policies is ...(that) the chinese can shift the world's reserve currency to something other than the dollar. If That occurs the US economy would immediately crumble and we would be reduced to a pre-industrial subsistence economy practically overnight.

Trump's polices are intended to encourage this very thing. I don't think he believes the result would be that the US economy would crumble.  Neither do I.  This would be very bad for financial markets and Wall Street.  But Trump's money is in real estate. Zero Hedge appears to be run by financial types, who will tend to see the economy and financial markets as representing the same thing.  Bad for finance = bad for economy.

I would point out that the last 7 years have been the best of times for financial markets.  Has this been true for the rest of the economy?

[playwrite]

(06-07-2016, 06:35 AM)Mikebert Wrote:

(05-07-2016, 04:19 AM)Galen Wrote: I would feel better if I knew why Trump is running. 

Isn't it obvious?  He wants to be president.

Wait, I think it's now become apparent that his running was just a way to get removed the "Mexican judge" (born in Indiana) presiding over  the Trump University lawsuits.

It's hard to keep up with the machinations of Donny Dump.

But at least it's given Little I-warned-you Marco a job -

http://www.wftv.com/news/local/rubio-on-.../326422652

Get ready for the first female President.  You heard it hear first!

[playwrite]

(05-17-2016, 12:34 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: As I mentioned before an unspoken reason for trump's policies is our entire economy's dependence on petrodollars. Because of this, the saudis, the russians or the chinese can simply cut of our oil (in the case of the saudis) or shift the world's reserve currency to something other than the dollar (in the case of China and Russia). If That occurs the US economy would immediately crumble and we would be reduced to a pre-industrial subsistence economy practically overnight. Zerohedge has published many articles explaining how this process would come about.

Since Mike has already DESTORYED your concern for US oil imports, let's focus on your other concern for the dollar's status as the "world's reserve currency."

I realize that Zero Hedge and other clueless websites have got your knees knocking over this coming 'catastrophe' (since the Mayan Calendar thingee didn't work out) and maybe they even given you some scenarios about how it would come about (the reality is simply that the currency of the nation most other nations sale most to will become the  "world reserve currency").

However, I'm so confused; can you tell us exactly what will happen when the US dollar is no longer the "world's reserve currency" that will make that such a catastrophe? Mass suicides?  Dogs mating with cats?  Justin Beaver getting US citizenship?  Trump going bald?

[pbrower2a]

(05-17-2016, 12:34 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote: As I mentioned before an unspoken reason for trump's policies is our entire economy's dependence on petrodollars. Because of this, the saudis, the russians or the chinese can simply cut of our oil (in the case of the saudis) or shift the world's reserve currency to something other than the dollar (in the case of China and Russia). If That occurs the US economy would immediately crumble and we would be reduced to a pre-industrial subsistence economy practically overnight. Zerohedge has published many articles explaining how this process would come about.

The Chinese can decide at a moment's notice, and at their convenience, that all dealings with business in China will be made in the yuan.

They are onto something: people throughout the world are placid because of cheap manufactured goods, especially entertainment devices, from China. Like them or not for their domestic politics, one can't deny that they are smart enough to know how to hurt us at a time of their choosing and convenience.