"Survivor": Millennials vs. Gen X

[Mikebert]

Quite right.  My wife and I are rooting for GenX because as she says, we always root for the old people, cuz we are old.  Twenty years ago we made fun of Xers with their line shows*

*line show originally referred to "Space Above and Beyond" which we called "Slackers in Space".  In their promos they would show a bunch of slackers all walking abreast in a line.  We saw this motiff in promos for "Friends" and other shows directed towards Gen X which showed groups of twentysomethings walking abreast.

[Ragnarök_62]

Eric The Green Wrote:Well, for the first immunity challenge, the Millennials won and the Xers had to vote someone off the island.  

Past performance does not guarantee future results, man. 

[The Wonkette]

(09-23-2016, 03:31 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(09-23-2016, 11:45 AM)The Wonkette Wrote: Well, for the first immunity challenge, the Millennials won and the Xers had to vote someone off the island.  

I take it someone is cheering for the millennials?

My emoji was supposed to be a wink, not a smiley face. Since the Tribes, as constituted, will only last a few weeks of viewing, I tend to root for the people. Right now, I like Hannah and Zeke in the Millennial Tribe and have to figure out who I like in the Gen Xers.

[Bronsin]

The Gen Xers should have gotten rid of that milquetoast David. He would be an embarrassment for any generation. He has no business out there. What's the over/under on how many of the millennials still live in their parent's basement?

[Galen]

(09-27-2016, 06:49 PM)Bronsin Wrote: The Gen Xers should have gotten rid of that milquetoast David. He would be an embarrassment for any generation. He has no business out there. What's the over/under on how many of the millennials still live in their parent's basement?

Want to bet they are keeping him around as a useful sacrifice later?  It seems likely that they got rid of a bigger current threat and there is the possibility of aiming him at someone else to bring them down.

[Bronsin]

(09-27-2016, 11:39 PM)Galen Wrote: Want to bet they are keeping him around as a useful sacrifice later?  It seems likely that they got rid of a bigger current threat and there is the possibility of aiming him at someone else to bring them down.

It's hard to say, although all of the men did stick together with their vote. Unlike the GenX women, who in typical fashion, all turned on each other

[gabrielle]

Sounds like a really stupid show.

[Galen]

(09-28-2016, 06:14 PM)taramarie Wrote:

(09-28-2016, 06:05 PM)gabrielle Wrote: Sounds like a really stupid show.

It is disgustingly unpleasant as survivor show is typically and it is a reality show so it is dripping in stupid. I am sick of the divisive culture overseas.

I don't watch it myself but I know how Xers tend to think.  The Xer men probably already have plan and they are carrying it out.  Don't expect them to say anything about it.

[Bronsin]

I was surprised at just how badly the millennials performed in the immunity challenge because it was totally physical. Especially when david struggled so bad swimming, and CeCe didn't come back up with a ring.

[Bronsin]

Oh I'm aware of it. I'm also aware of just how much weaker you are at 50 than at 25. If those kids can't beat a 50yr old man that just had a mild heart attack the day before then they might as well pack it in because this game is gonna get much harder than that.

There was always one fat kid in every grade that usually got picked on quite a bit. Went to my son's graduation a few years ago, and I couldn't figure out who the fat kid was, because there were so many fat kids running around. There is no excuse for an obese 3rd grader.

[Odin]

(09-27-2016, 06:49 PM)Bronsin Wrote: What's the over/under on how many of the millennials still live in their parent's basement?

You know that this is because of economic reasons and not laziness or immaturity, right?

[Odin]

(09-28-2016, 06:05 PM)gabrielle Wrote: Sounds like a really stupid show.

It's the original "Reality" show, and I refuse to watch it, it's vapid crap.

[Odin]

(09-30-2016, 05:44 AM)Bronsin Wrote: Oh I'm aware of it. I'm also aware of just how much weaker you are at 50 than at 25. If those kids can't beat a 50yr old man that just had a mild heart attack the day before then they might as well pack it in because this game is gonna get much harder than that.

There was always one fat kid in every grade that usually got picked on quite a bit. Went to my son's graduation a few years ago, and I couldn't figure out who the fat kid was, because there were so many fat kids running around. There is no excuse for an obese 3rd grader.

This was still true in the 90s, There were 25-ish kids in my grade and while a few (myself included) were definitely chubby none were obviously obese. My own weight issues started in high school when I fucked up my right ankle in a football game and could not be as active as I used to be.

[Eric the Green]

(09-22-2016, 09:47 PM)gabrielle Wrote:

(09-22-2016, 12:47 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(09-21-2016, 09:39 PM)gabrielle Wrote:

(09-20-2016, 01:01 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(09-20-2016, 10:47 AM)The Wonkette Wrote: Weren't the Seventies dominated by the Silents?

Yes they were, in so far as the people in middle age dominate a turning.

So then, the Boomers dominated the "greed is good" Eighties and the "unravelling" of economic policies that protected the middle class and working poor in the 3T?  Who is really the "pecuniary" generation, then?

It can get really complicated trying to blame one generation for things that three or four generations did, can't it?

It is as ridiculous for Galen to scapegoat an entire generation for all the ills of the world as it is for a Baby Boomer to call Generation X "pecuniary," when Gen X, of all current generations, has the most financial stress and Baby Boomers are the richest generation in US history.

Although, as is the case among all of us in the USA, including among Boomers, that "richest" wealth is concentrated at the top.

Although Gen X has had more to lose in the recession, millennials are having the hardest time making economic gains in the first place. Boomers are having a hard time being able to retire or keep working. Although this is a generations site, so it is to be expected to attribute conditions and traits to generations, when it comes to the economy and politics, the divide is less between generations, and more between political parties and the red and blue "tribes." That's where we should be placing the "blame;" on the Republicans. It is their policies, and their imitation too often by Democrats, that have brought about less equality and economic mobility in our society, ever since the charming, ruggedly-handsome actor deceived us into adopting trickle-down economics and free trade, and convinced us that government is the problem.

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Bronsin Wrote:Oh I'm aware of it. I'm also aware of just how much weaker you are at 50 than at 25.

That's called aging. I could party hearty at 25, but no way can I do that stuff now.

Quote:If those kids can't beat a 50yr old man that just had a mild heart attack the day before then they might as well pack it in because this game is gonna get much harder than that.

Who had the heart attack?

Quote:There was always one fat kid in every grade that usually got picked on quite a bit. Went to my son's graduation a few years ago, and I couldn't figure out who the fat kid was, because there were so many fat kids running around. There is no excuse for an obese 3rd grader.

Dunno. Sometimes somebody can inherit a bunch of lousy genetic cards. In high school, there was only 1 fat kid in PE, so I think he got a lousy hand. As for environmental factors, yeah sure anyone would get fat sitting on their ass all day and ate 4 tubs of ice cream. That's simple physics. It's like there were no video games or smell phones around when I was a kid. Not to mention mom was always saying go outside , only 3 TV channels, and the 5 mile paper route I had.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUB_(gene)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTO_gene

[Ragnarök_62]

Eric The Green Wrote:Although, as is the case among all of us in the USA, including among Boomers, that "richest" wealth is concentrated at the top.

I think the Silents have the most wealth.

Quote:Although Gen X has had more to lose in the recession, millennials are having the hardest time making economic gains in the first place.

[/quote]

Uh, not quite. It's location,location,location. Some states' bubbles are larger, some states' bubbles are smaller, the ones in the Oklahoma don't exist at all, go ask Rags'er when he's on the ball.



 

Quote:Boomers are having a hard time being able to retire or keep working. Although this is a generations site, so it is to be expected to attribute conditions and traits to generations, when it comes to the economy and politics, the divide is less between generations, and more between political parties and the red and blue "tribes."

When are you going to blame the Federal Reserve for blowing all of these stupid bubbles?

Quote:That's where we should be placing the "blame;" on the Republicans. It is their policies, and their imitation too often by Democrats, that have brought about less equality and economic mobility in our society, ever since the charming, ruggedly-handsome actor deceived us into adopting trickle-down economics and free trade, and convinced us that government is the problem.

That's one place to point a finger. Here's some more.
1. The Federal Reserve and their EZ money policy.  What a nest of idiots.  Low interest rates DO NOT work in a debt besotted economy.
2. Sally Mae.  Why can't they figure out that degrees in "fashion merchandising" , "general studies", history, etc. won't be enough to pay the loan back.
3. Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae.  Why do these agencies even exist? They do nothing but fuel housing bubbles.

[Eric the Green]

(09-30-2016, 06:48 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

Eric The Green Wrote:Although, as is the case among all of us in the USA, including among Boomers, that "richest" wealth is concentrated at the top.

I think the Silents have the most wealth.

Quote:Although Gen X has had more to lose in the recession, millennials are having the hardest time making economic gains in the first place.

Uh, not quite. It's location,location,location. Some states' bubbles are larger, some states' bubbles are smaller, the ones in the Oklahoma don't exist at all, go ask Rags'er when he's on the ball.



 

Quote:Boomers are having a hard time being able to retire or keep working. Although this is a generations site, so it is to be expected to attribute conditions and traits to generations, when it comes to the economy and politics, the divide is less between generations, and more between political parties and the red and blue "tribes."

When are you going to blame the Federal Reserve for blowing all of these stupid bubbles?

Quote:That's where we should be placing the "blame;" on the Republicans. It is their policies, and their imitation too often by Democrats, that have brought about less equality and economic mobility in our society, ever since the charming, ruggedly-handsome actor deceived us into adopting trickle-down economics and free trade, and convinced us that government is the problem.

That's one place to point a finger. Here's some more.
1. The Federal Reserve and their EZ money policy.  What a nest of idiots.  Low interest rates DO NOT work in a debt besotted economy.
2. Sally Mae.  Why can't they figure out that degrees in "fashion merchandising" , "general studies", history, etc. won't be enough to pay the loan back.
3. Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae.  Why do these agencies even exist? They do nothing but fuel housing bubbles.

No, the housing bubbles depend on location, as you said. And 2nd mortgages still get tax deductions, for one thing. And free trade > China boom > rich Chinese buying up houses.

But if interest rates were higher, mortgage rates would be higher too, and it would be even harder for millennials to get a start than it is now. The Fed is useful, up to a point. Lower interest rates are needed when the economy is slow, higher rates when it is high. I think the conventional wisdom is right on that; no sense in going conspiratorial-theoretical on that. I don't see the connection between housing prices and QE either. More bank loans does not necessarily mean high housing costs, unless the banks are making dangerous loans to home buyers again. Are they?

Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae existed and still exist to make it easier for people to get loans. But like so much else, they had abusive and greedy leaders in the 00s.

I got a better idea. Let's just blame everything on Taramarie.

(that's better than blaming everything on Hillary, as Trump did in the debate)

[Ragnarök_62]

Eric The Green [/quote Wrote:   No, the housing bubbles depend on location, as you said. And 2nd mortgages still get tax deductions, for one thing.

Yup.  I agree and I also think 2nd mortgages should not be subsidized by tax dollars.  2nd.... OK, here's another thing to nuke:


2nd mortgages are also  tax deductible.                  

Quote:And free trade > China boom > rich Chinese buying up houses.

I agree with that.


   But if interest rates were higher, mortgage rates would be higher too, and it would be even harder for millennials to get a start than it is now.

Not if bubbles pop......

   :: Rags rubs hands together :: Actually, that's part of my master plan to pop all housing bubbles.
   1. Raise interest rates to 5% which is normal.
   2. Destroy foreign speculative demand.
   3. Destroy demand for 2nd houses

   4. Once all of those bubbles pop, I then plan on letting TBF banks, you know, fail. The FDIC can make depositors whole, so no biggie.

   5. House prices should crash enough that we'll have lots of happy Millies.
   

Quote:The Fed is useful, up to a point. Lower interest rates are needed when the economy is slow, higher rates when it is high. I think the conventional wisdom is right on that; no sense in going conspiratorial-theoretical on that.

There's one problem.  It hasn't worked dude.  The FED has a problem. It can make $ available, but can't direct where it flows. So far it's gone to excess reserves [dead money], stockie market bubble, housing bubble, frakking bubble, and the like.

Quote:   I don't see the connection between housing prices and QE either.

1. It does because the FED is buying mortgage debt that artificially depresses the interest rate.
2. QE also caused a frakking boom here. So in Oklahoma we had QE -> [frakking boom] ->  EQ
QE = quantitative easing
EQ = earthquakes
So,  QE causes earthquakes in Oklahoma!

Quote:   More bank loans does not necessarily mean high housing costs, unless the banks are making dangerous loans to home buyers again. Are they?

The law of supply/demand?


Dangerous home loans: yup.  Nothing changes.






[url="http://nypost.com/2016/03/12/obama-is-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/"  Oh, but they are. [/url]

Quote:   Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae existed and still exist to make it easier for people to get loans. But like so much else, they had abusive and greedy leaders in the 00s.

Sorry, I do not think any government should be subsidizes house purchases. That's corporate welfare for house builders, real estate agents, banks which get fees, landscapers, etc.

Quote:   I got a better idea. Let's just blame everything on Taramarie.

   (that's better than blaming everything on Hillary, as Trump did in the debate)

I have no dog in the Eric vs. Taramarie kerffufle.

[Eric the Green]

(10-01-2016, 12:09 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote:

Eric The Green

   No, the housing bubbles depend on location, as you said. And 2nd mortgages still get tax deductions, for one thing.
[/quote Wrote:Yup.  I agree and I also think 2nd mortgages should not be subsidized by tax dollars.  2nd.... OK, here's another thing to nuke:


2nd mortgages are also  tax deductible.                  

I agree, but what I meant by 2nd mortgages was actually the same person getting tax deduction for more than one home. I think the deduction should be granted only for one's primary residence, not to speculators who buy and flip houses. That has been a primary cause of the housing bubble. Just making that clear in case I was not clear.

Quote:

Quote:   But if interest rates were higher, mortgage rates would be higher too, and it would be even harder for millennials to get a start than it is now.

Not if bubbles pop......

   :: Rags rubs hands together :: Actually, that's part of my master plan to pop all housing bubbles.
   1. Raise interest rates to 5% which is normal.
   2. Destroy foreign speculative demand.
   3. Destroy demand for 2nd houses

   4. Once all of those bubbles pop, I then plan on letting TBF banks, you know, fail. The FDIC can make depositors whole, so no biggie.

   5. House prices should crash enough that we'll have lots of happy Millies.
   

possibly your magic might work.

Quote:

Quote:The Fed is useful, up to a point. Lower interest rates are needed when the economy is slow, higher rates when it is high. I think the conventional wisdom is right on that; no sense in going conspiratorial-theoretical on that.

There's one problem.  It hasn't worked dude.  The FED has a problem. It can make $ available, but can't direct where it flows. So far it's gone to excess reserves [dead money], stockie market bubble, housing bubble, frakking bubble, and the like.

I'm not so sure that the fracking boom can be laid at the door of the Fed. High oil prices plus the innovations in fracking tech are certainly causes.

Quote:

Quote:   I don't see the connection between housing prices and QE either.

1. It does because the FED is buying mortgage debt that artificially depresses the interest rate.

The Fed had to buy mortgages to get rid of the 2007-08 bubble. So now prices are rising again. Low interest rates may be one factor in this, but only one, and the Fed's action was needed at the time.

Quote:

Quote:   More bank loans does not necessarily mean high housing costs, unless the banks are making dangerous loans to home buyers again. Are they?

The law of supply/demand?

Dangerous home loans: yup.  Nothing changes.

Not so sure

Quote:Sorry, I do not think any government should be subsidizing house purchases. That's corporate welfare for house builders, real estate agents, banks which get fees, landscapers, etc.

Not sure Mac and Mae were "subsidizing" houses; just helping people get loans. Not quite the same. So I don't agree; sorry maybe someday I'll change my mind tho; it's not set in stone (like Taramarie's oh sorry...... ) (ruff ruff, dog)

[Bronsin]

(09-30-2016, 07:01 AM)Odin Wrote:

(09-27-2016, 06:49 PM)Bronsin Wrote: What's the over/under on how many of the millennials still live in their parent's basement?

You know that this is because of economic reasons and not laziness or immaturity, right?

Maybe for some that is the case, but it has reached an almost epidemic proportion. There are plenty of jobs out there for people who want to, or HAVE to work.

Where I live there are help needed signs all over the place, and they have been up for months advertising jobs that range from $10-14 hr, and people won't fill the positions because that's not where they want to work. Money is green. They need to get that through their thick heads. When the housing bubble burst, I saw more than one person my age, in a fairly new car or SUV, delivering pizza's and working fast food because they were going to lose that car, or their house, when their jobs fell apart. Millennials would just move back home, if they ever left in the first place.

Here's my old man pulpit and how I was raised: When you were 16 you got your driver's license, and a job. After graduation, you got out of the house. This wasn't up for debate, and I didn't have to be pushed out either. I wanted nothing more than to GTFO of my Mother's house at the soonest opportunity. And that wasn't just me, that was every single one of my friends. You either went to work or college. Staying at home and sitting on your ass waiting to win the lottery was NO option.

Case in point, my niece and nephew, who at 20 and 21 yrs old, FINALLY got their drivers license, and only have gotten jobs because their new step-father has had a bellyfull of them sitting around the house, and their mother takes them both to work, at the SAME place. How convenient........... Of course, they both have all the latest gadgets and are on everything that's considered social media. Oh, and they are both a couple of doughballs.