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(12-01-2020, 02:14 PM)Einzige Wrote: (12-01-2020, 02:12 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: (12-01-2020, 02:10 PM)Einzige Wrote: Quote: those elites... lavishly funded mirror-image Marxists to supplant Democrats.
Hilarious. Examples of these "lavishly funded"Marxists, please?
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Senators Pat Toomey and Ron Johnson seem obvious enough.
What? Are you accusing them of being Marxists or something? Bizarre.
Marxism holds that capitalism is an inherently dehumanizing, exploitative, destructive, warmongering, and otherwise hideous order beyond reform or humanization.
One need not be a Marxist to see a system so monstrous as so wrong. Maybe they see capitalism capable of some redemption if the overall society can humanize it to serve workers as well as capitalists and other elites within it, or if technology can render the worst features of capitalism irrelevant. In such a case one is not a Marxist.
To be a mirror-image Marxist, and this is not a term that I created, one endorses the nastiest features of capitalism in a Marxist stereotype as an ideal or an inevitability. Capitalists are fools to foster such a sick way of thought, for the people who wield it usually must receive bribes in the form of class privilege in the presence of great suffering. Such people are easy to disillusion. It is far easier to make an honest-to-Che-Guevara Marxist from such a reactionary than from a liberal who has more hope for a better world, even if such a world is still capitalist. Just have that reactionary doing farm labor or domestic service, or show him how a "Fordist" assembly line operates if he is a worker on it. That person will lose all faith in capitalism fast.
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(12-01-2020, 02:37 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (12-01-2020, 01:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Covid was just the trigger that marks the beginning and you just elected Hoover/Chamberlain in my opinion. Thank God, we have the freedom to split with the Democrats and place them on ignore and turn a blind eye to the violence and social unrest that occurs in their little blue countries/ strongholds/city states. We'll get to see how many Democratic believers are left after several years of steady decline, hyper inflation and increasing numbers of people with no values who are pretty much free to do whatever they want with little to no concern about the consequences for their actions. We're already seeing it now. We'll see who is on the greedy side and see who the fools are as well.
I don't see you as a big advocate of the elite, of messing up the working man, of weakening unions, of cutting benefits, about sending jobs abroad. Neither are you a racist, hating people because of their skin color. Neither are you a Neo-conservative, advocating the use of war to make a profit. Neither have you been a loud advocate of COVID, about killing lots of people because you think lots of death is neat.
And yet, you are still Republican.
People are amazingly willing to disregard facts rather than change their mindset and values. You have demonstrated this as much as anyone. You are not the worst of those locked in the red universe, not by a long shot.
Biden has promised to commit himself to fighting COVID, elitism, racism and global warming after Trump placed himself on the wrong side of all four. Hoover in declining government regulation and correction of the economy, Chamberlain in declining to contain autocratic military aggression, ignored the major issues of their time. Given the major crisis level issues, Hoover, Chamberlain and Trump failed to engage. They found reasons to stick with what had been always done before. They tried to maintain the status quo.
I don't know how well Biden will keep his promises. I just know he will attempt to confront the problems. This makes George III, Buchanan, Hoover and Trump as kindred in remaining the same, in clinging with not solving problems. It lumps George Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Churchill together with Biden in trying to solve problems. I know Biden hasn't earned that place yet. Those are mighty names. He hasn't become that tightly linked to the new values and given the credit for the forces of history. He isn't who I would have chosen for the role. Still, he is heading in the right direction.
We'll see how determined you are to head the wrong way, to leave the very real crisis problems unaddressed. The violence of the Black Lives Matter protests has already faded. The Proud Boys and Wolverine Watchmen seemed the last big violent groups. COVID is getting close to overloading the hospitals. Getting out of the economic difficulties almost requires attacking the tremendous inequality in wealth.
We'll see if the folks that shifted over to the blue perspective shift back after Trump is no longer in the White House. We'll see if Trump stays gone, or keeps the base as a hostage to bring the Republican Party down. The regeneracy starts January 20th. We'll see how the crisis flows from there.
But for a favorable place in the history book, I would say Biden has landed in the better position.
I assume Biden will cause/creates more problems than he solves like the Democrats who proceeded him. I think everyone knows that COVID will be solved. So, I'll give Biden credit for keeping that promise right now. Is Biden going to solve racism? Biden would have to kill every racist regardless of their race or gender (racist blacks are just as racist as racist whites these days). Racism is still to lucrative for Biden and the Democrats to solve at this point. I don't see the SWJ's embracing equality and giving up their jobs and all the fruits associated with their jobs either. I don't see Biden stopping dumping billions of American tax dollars into corrupt institutions and countries that most Americans don't trust or give two shits about either. I don't see Biden stopping climate change in it's tracks either.
I think Eric summed up the result of the election pretty good when he pretty much said, the Democrats retained their control over the cities but pretty much lost the rest of the country. So, how much value does the rest of America place on a bunch of selfish overpaid round heads and the needs of the cities that they control? Despite what you think or believe, I believe that America could replace/ live without New York City these days and I also think it's pretty clear that half the country could live without most of what Washington DC represents today as well. The result of Biden's election will determine whether he headed in the right direction or not and that will depend on his willingness to eat crow and go against the racists and the elites who bankrolled his campaign and more or less did all the work that was needed to put him in office. That's who/what you voted for whether you can see it, accept it, understand it or not at this point in your life.
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(12-01-2020, 02:10 PM)Einzige Wrote: Quote: those elites... lavishly funded mirror-image Marxists to supplant Democrats.
Hilarious. Examples of these "lavishly funded"Marxists, please?
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Barrack Obama. The dude has made millions off his Marxist ties. Like I said, the Hollywood elite should have gave him an Oscar to go along with his Noble Peace Prize.
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(12-01-2020, 06:40 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (12-01-2020, 02:10 PM)Einzige Wrote: Quote: those elites... lavishly funded mirror-image Marxists to supplant Democrats.
Hilarious. Examples of these "lavishly funded"Marxists, please?
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Barrack Obama. The dude has made millions off his Marxist ties. Like I said, the Hollywood elite should have gave him an Oscar to go along with his Noble Peace Prize.
Oh my God.
Do you know what a Red Diaper Baby is? It's someone who grew up in a relatively influential Communist (or left-leaning) family, kept q vague rhetorical egalitarianism, and sold out at the first available opportunity. That's Obama.
He is not Marxist. He never was Marxist.
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(12-01-2020, 04:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (12-01-2020, 02:37 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (12-01-2020, 01:37 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Covid was just the trigger that marks the beginning and you just elected Hoover/Chamberlain in my opinion. Thank God, we have the freedom to split with the Democrats and place them on ignore and turn a blind eye to the violence and social unrest that occurs in their little blue countries/ strongholds/city states. We'll get to see how many Democratic believers are left after several years of steady decline, hyper inflation and increasing numbers of people with no values who are pretty much free to do whatever they want with little to no concern about the consequences for their actions. We're already seeing it now. We'll see who is on the greedy side and see who the fools are as well.
I don't see you as a big advocate of the elite, of messing up the working man, of weakening unions, of cutting benefits, about sending jobs abroad. Neither are you a racist, hating people because of their skin color. Neither are you a Neo-conservative, advocating the use of war to make a profit. Neither have you been a loud advocate of COVID, about killing lots of people because you think lots of death is neat.
And yet, you are still Republican.
People are amazingly willing to disregard facts rather than change their mindset and values. You have demonstrated this as much as anyone. You are not the worst of those locked in the red universe, not by a long shot.
Biden has promised to commit himself to fighting COVID, elitism, racism and global warming after Trump placed himself on the wrong side of all four. Hoover in declining government regulation and correction of the economy, Chamberlain in declining to contain autocratic military aggression, ignored the major issues of their time. Given the major crisis level issues, Hoover, Chamberlain and Trump failed to engage. They found reasons to stick with what had been always done before. They tried to maintain the status quo.
I don't know how well Biden will keep his promises. I just know he will attempt to confront the problems. This makes George III, Buchanan, Hoover and Trump as kindred in remaining the same, in clinging with not solving problems. It lumps George Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Churchill together with Biden in trying to solve problems. I know Biden hasn't earned that place yet. Those are mighty names. He hasn't become that tightly linked to the new values and given the credit for the forces of history. He isn't who I would have chosen for the role. Still, he is heading in the right direction.
We'll see how determined you are to head the wrong way, to leave the very real crisis problems unaddressed. The violence of the Black Lives Matter protests has already faded. The Proud Boys and Wolverine Watchmen seemed the last big violent groups. COVID is getting close to overloading the hospitals. Getting out of the economic difficulties almost requires attacking the tremendous inequality in wealth.
We'll see if the folks that shifted over to the blue perspective shift back after Trump is no longer in the White House. We'll see if Trump stays gone, or keeps the base as a hostage to bring the Republican Party down. The regeneracy starts January 20th. We'll see how the crisis flows from there.
But for a favorable place in the history book, I would say Biden has landed in the better position.
I assume Biden will cause more problems than he solves like the Democrats who proceeded him.
Undoing Trump damage will be difficult enough.
Quote:I think everyone knows that COVID will be solved.
Give credit where due to the medical profession and Big Pharma.
Quote:So, we'll give that promise to Biden right now. Is Biden going to solve racism? Biden would have to kill every racist regardless of their race (racist blacks are just as racist as racist whites these days).
That does not compute.
Quote:Racism is still to lucrative for Biden and the Democrats to solve at this point.
What still matters is that it still hurts.
Quote:I don't see the SWJ's embracing equality and giving up their jobs and all the fruits associated with their jobs. I don't see Biden stopping dumping billions of American tax dollars into corrupt institutions and countries that most Americans give to shits about either.
Welfare pays for itself. It's Congress that allocates the funds.
Quote:I think Eric summed up the result of the election pretty good when he pretty much said, the Democrats retained their control over the cities but pretty much lost the country.
Joe Biden won urban America, and that now includes Suburbia. When Suburbia still had rural characteristics (low-density housing, low costs of government spending, light traffic, and a largely-white population) it still voted heavily Republican. That is over as apartments supplant the 'starter homes' for returning GI's from WWII, infrastructure approaches the end of its serviceable life and needs replacement or massive repair, and the need for highway widening to meet the needs of commute traffic. Poor people move in to the new apartment complexes so that they can work at the retail and restaurant jobs that they can't find where they used to live, and they bring their political values with them. .
Quote:So, how much value does America place on a bunch of selfish overpaid round heads and the needs of the cities that they control?
I would have to be paid very well to move to New York City or other high-cost cities.
Quote:Despite what you think or believe, I believe that America could replace/ live without New York City these days and I think it's also pretty clear that half the country could live without most of Washington DC represents today as well.
When global warming inundates coastal areas of the United States, Chicago will likely become the center for economic activity and St. Louis the capital of the United States. St. Louis would become much that Washington, DC is now. But note well: New York City is what it is, and it would be difficult to do what New York City already does.
Quote:The result of Biden's election will determine whether he headed in the right direction or not and that will depend on his willingness to eat crow and go against the racists and the elites who bankrolled his campaign and more or less did all the work to put him in office. That's what you voted for whether you can see it, understand it or not at this point in your life.
Racists?
I wish that we could all forget this.
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(12-01-2020, 04:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I assume Biden will cause/creates more problems than he solves like the Democrats who proceeded him. I think everyone knows that COVID will be solved. So, I'll give Biden credit for keeping that promise right now. Is Biden going to solve racism? Biden would have to kill every racist regardless of their race or gender (racist blacks are just as racist as racist whites these days). Racism is still to lucrative for Biden and the Democrats to solve at this point. I don't see the SWJ's embracing equality and giving up their jobs and all the fruits associated with their jobs either. I don't see Biden stopping dumping billions of American tax dollars into corrupt institutions and countries that most Americans don't trust or give two shits about either. I don't see Biden stopping climate change in it's tracks either.
At least he is trying to solve problems rather than perpetuating the status quo.
I agree COVID will be solved, though not before Trump and the Republicans makes it bad indeed.
The Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s resulted in laws which changed certain racist behaviors. It is likely to happen again if the Republican aren't in position to fight in favor of racism.
To some extent you need to enforce equality, or the racist will do what the racists have always done. I'm not a big fan of the SJWs either, but the fight should be fought.
I do tend to think the commitment to stop climate change will fall short during the crisis. The economic problems falling out of the the Republican lack of a COVID response are unnecessarily great. I anticipate a green awakening, as the young prophets try to correct the inadequate response.
The recent Republican shtick is to say that domestic spending, solving the problems of the working man and minorities, is socialism and thus not American. I'm not buying it. Government is necessary to attack certain problems, including domestic ones. Making it a habit to not solve problems will in the long term eventually catch up with you. The problems just become larger and more intense. Ask George III, Buchanan, Hoover and Trump what happens if you choose not to attack the central issues of a crisis.
Well, maybe not George III or Trump. They had / have problems grasping reality.
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(12-01-2020, 11:13 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (12-01-2020, 04:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I assume Biden will cause/creates more problems than he solves like the Democrats who proceeded him. I think everyone knows that COVID will be solved. So, I'll give Biden credit for keeping that promise right now. Is Biden going to solve racism? Biden would have to kill every racist regardless of their race or gender (racist blacks are just as racist as racist whites these days). Racism is still to lucrative for Biden and the Democrats to solve at this point. I don't see the SWJ's embracing equality and giving up their jobs and all the fruits associated with their jobs either. I don't see Biden stopping dumping billions of American tax dollars into corrupt institutions and countries that most Americans don't trust or give two shits about either. I don't see Biden stopping climate change in it's tracks either.
At least he is trying to solve problems rather than perpetuating the status quo.
I agree COVID will be solved, though not before Trump and the Republicans makes it bad indeed.
We are approaching 275,000 deaths, which makes the carnage of COVID-19 in America as high as a community somewhere between the 74th and 75th-largest cities in America.
Next stops on the train-wreck of death from COVID-19 as population numbers?
74. Durham, North Carolina
73. Newark, New Jersey
72. Irvine, California
71. Orlando, Florida
70. Plano, Texas
69. Anchorage, Alaska
68. Lincoln, Nebraska
67. Greensboro, North Carolina
66. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (300,286 -- 2019 estimate)
65. St. Louis, Missouri (300, 576 -- 2019 estimate)
#66 and #65 have major league baseball teams and NHL hockey teams.
Quote:The Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s resulted in laws which changed certain racist behaviors. It is likely to happen again if the Republican aren't in position to fight in favor of racism.
To some extent you need to enforce equality, or the racist will do what the racists have always done. I'm not a big fan of the SJWs either, but the fight should be fought.
Black Lives Matter! Well, they had better matter, lest all our lives be debased.
Quote:I do tend to think the commitment to stop climate change will fall short during the crisis. The economic problems falling out of the the Republican lack of a COVID response are unnecessarily great. I anticipate a green awakening, as the young prophets try to correct the inadequate response.
Projected for 2071-2100:
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Oh, boy! Look at all the hot desert approaching Fresno CA, reaching St. George UT, Roswell and Albuquerque NM, and approaching Lubbock TX! The true tropical climate reaches Tampa-St. Pete and Orlando. Maybe Indiana will become a major cotton-growing state.
When climate change reaches Indiana, the banks of the Wabash might mean something to keep your beloved dog away from because alligators will start taking advantage of the weaker winters. Dogs usually share the top of the food chain with us in the American Midwest, but alligators will take them literally off the top of the food chain. Tropical diseases will become commonplace in southern Louisiana. Heatstroke will be common in places like Milwaukee and Cleveland.
OK, maybe Classic X'er would be delighted that more people in the Twin Cities need air conditioning.
Quote:The recent Republican shtick is to say that domestic spending, solving the problems of the working man and minorities, is socialism and thus not American. I'm not buying it. Government is necessary to attack certain problems, including domestic ones. Making it a habit to not solve problems will in the long term eventually catch up with you. The problems just become larger and more intense. Ask George III, Buchanan, Hoover and Trump what happens if you choose not to attack the central issues of a crisis.
Well, maybe not George III or Trump. They had / have problems grasping reality.
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According to the elites, we can smile through it all because the smile will create the image of happiness even if tears flow. Climate change looks like a real killer in about fifty years.
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(12-01-2020, 02:37 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: We'll see if the folks that shifted over to the blue perspective shift back after Trump is no longer in the White House. We'll see if Trump stays gone, or keeps the base as a hostage to bring the Republican Party down. The regeneracy starts January 20th. We'll see how the crisis flows from there...
It's looking a lot like the shift never occurred. Dems lost seats in the House, and couldn't even overthrow Susan Collins, who pissed-off vast numbers in her state playing footsie with Trump. My take on why: the Dems don't have a message they can run on, so they all run alone. Abigail Spanberger in the House and Joe Manchin in the Senate are almost Republicans, while over in the House, AOC and the the Squad are Socialists and Ed Markey in the Senate isn't far behind. Anyone looking in from outside can find something to hate with a spread like that.
The Dems need to be a lot more like their rivals: on-message, tough and uncompromising and willing to take it to the Republicans like the Republicans do to them. Instead, they look fractured and weak, and neither is flattering. My opinion: they'll need to take a far more Progressive stance, and be willing to not just defend it but attack the alternative ... hard! They actually have a solid argument if they can just agree that it's one that needs making.
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(12-02-2020, 01:34 PM)David Horn Wrote: (12-01-2020, 02:37 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: We'll see if the folks that shifted over to the blue perspective shift back after Trump is no longer in the White House. We'll see if Trump stays gone, or keeps the base as a hostage to bring the Republican Party down. The regeneracy starts January 20th. We'll see how the crisis flows from there...
It's looking a lot like the shift never occurred. Dems lost seats in the House, and couldn't even overthrow Susan Collins, who pissed-off vast numbers in her state playing footsie with Trump. My take on why: the Dems don't have a message they can run on, so they all run alone. Abigail Spanberger in the House and Joe Manchin in the Senate are almost Republicans, while over in the House, AOC and the the Squad are Socialists and Ed Markey in the Senate isn't far behind. Anyone looking in from outside can find something to hate with a spread like that.
The Dems need to be a lot more like their rivals: on-message, tough and uncompromising and willing to take it to the Republicans like the Republicans do to them. Instead, they look fractured and weak, and neither is flattering. My opinion: they'll need to take a far more Progressive stance, and be willing to not just defend it but attack the alternative ... hard! They actually have a solid argument if they can just agree that it's one that needs making.
My take on why: the people remain hooked on false ideologies. It's true the Democrats need to be bolder and more unified, but Democrats are cats (hard to herd) and Republicans are dogs (loyal to their master). The basic statements by Biden were good.
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(12-01-2020, 11:13 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (12-01-2020, 04:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I assume Biden will cause/creates more problems than he solves like the Democrats who proceeded him. I think everyone knows that COVID will be solved. So, I'll give Biden credit for keeping that promise right now. Is Biden going to solve racism? Biden would have to kill every racist regardless of their race or gender (racist blacks are just as racist as racist whites these days). Racism is still to lucrative for Biden and the Democrats to solve at this point. I don't see the SWJ's embracing equality and giving up their jobs and all the fruits associated with their jobs either. I don't see Biden stopping dumping billions of American tax dollars into corrupt institutions and countries that most Americans don't trust or give two shits about either. I don't see Biden stopping climate change in it's tracks either.
At least he is trying to solve problems rather than perpetuating the status quo.
I agree COVID will be solved, though not before Trump and the Republicans makes it bad indeed.
The Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s resulted in laws which changed certain racist behaviors. It is likely to happen again if the Republican aren't in position to fight in favor of racism.
To some extent you need to enforce equality, or the racist will do what the racists have always done. I'm not a big fan of the SJWs either, but the fight should be fought.
I do tend to think the commitment to stop climate change will fall short during the crisis. The economic problems falling out of the the Republican lack of a COVID response are unnecessarily great. I anticipate a green awakening, as the young prophets try to correct the inadequate response.
The recent Republican shtick is to say that domestic spending, solving the problems of the working man and minorities, is socialism and thus not American. I'm not buying it. Government is necessary to attack certain problems, including domestic ones. Making it a habit to not solve problems will in the long term eventually catch up with you. The problems just become larger and more intense. Ask George III, Buchanan, Hoover and Trump what happens if you choose not to attack the central issues of a crisis.
Well, maybe not George III or Trump. They had / have problems grasping reality.
Stopping climate change is high on the Biden agenda. It will be dealt with, and must be during the crisis if there is to be a green awakening that will take solutions further. The covid vaccines will end this current crisis in 2021, but that will not end the fourth turning. I doubt the green change will be what we need in a Biden first term, unless the miracle I predicted happens and a big Democratic victory happens in the 2022 midterms. It is possible if the millennials, all of whom will be eligible to vote for the first time, plus early Gen Z, live up to their civic archetype and vote. It will take a qualified and likable Democrat (i.e. not Kamala Harris) to be nominated in 2024 and win and carry congress with him or her in order to take the crisis mood to its climax and burst through the barriers and the resistance. This crisis climax in 2025 is still to come.
How will the voters react to the first 2 years of Biden? Will they have less to react against than they did in 1994 and 2010, because a major health care reform will not pass or get very far this time? Or will younger people give up again because the Republicans stopped Biden from getting much done, and they blame Biden unfairly, as they did to Obama in 2010 and Clinton in 1994? Biden should get some credit for handling the covid crisis better, and an economic recovery may help him and Democrats in the upcoming elections.
Biden and the blue states can do quite a lot on the climate crisis, even despite resistance from the McConnellites and Trumpists. California will lead the way under Gov. Newsom and our Democratic legislature, and General Motors is willing to get on board and adhere to CA pollution and climate standards. That may be a big deal; credit where credit is due! Electric cars will make a big difference in blue states and even in some southern red ones where alternative energy is coming online to power them. The market continues to favor solar and wind energy, and investments and jobs are growing in the renewable sector. The USA will rejoin the climate accord on Biden's Day One, and USA leadership by the Biden admin will make a difference in the world.
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(12-02-2020, 03:06 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (12-02-2020, 01:34 PM)David Horn Wrote: The Dems need to be a lot more like their rivals: on-message, tough and uncompromising and willing to take it to the Republicans like the Republicans do to them. Instead, they look fractured and weak, and neither is flattering. My opinion: they'll need to take a far more Progressive stance, and be willing to not just defend it but attack the alternative ... hard! They actually have a solid argument if they can just agree that it's one that needs making.
My take on why: the people remain hooked on false ideologies. It's true the Democrats need to be bolder and more unified, but Democrats are cats (hard to herd) and Republicans are dogs (loyal to their master). The basic statements by Biden were good.
I'm afraid that the Dems are just as sold on the nonsense as their voters. If the leaders can't get it that the people voting out there are not interested in mush or over intellectualized argument, they're not going to move the needle one iota. Kinser is right: the Dems don't understand memes at all, but the voting public reacts to them every time.
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(12-02-2020, 05:42 PM)David Horn Wrote: (12-02-2020, 03:06 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (12-02-2020, 01:34 PM)David Horn Wrote: The Dems need to be a lot more like their rivals: on-message, tough and uncompromising and willing to take it to the Republicans like the Republicans do to them. Instead, they look fractured and weak, and neither is flattering. My opinion: they'll need to take a far more Progressive stance, and be willing to not just defend it but attack the alternative ... hard! They actually have a solid argument if they can just agree that it's one that needs making.
My take on why: the people remain hooked on false ideologies. It's true the Democrats need to be bolder and more unified, but Democrats are cats (hard to herd) and Republicans are dogs (loyal to their master). The basic statements by Biden were good.
I'm afraid that the Dems are just as sold on the nonsense as their voters. If the leaders can't get it that the people voting out there are not interested in mush or over intellectualized argument, they're not going to move the needle one iota. Kinser is right: the Dems don't understand memes at all, but the voting public reacts to them every time.
Quite true. Come 2024, the Democrats are going to need to be lucky about who steps up to run, if Biden is unable to continue. If they are stuck with Harris, who cannot articulate those memes convincingly or touch and connect with the people, they will lose. If Landrieu steps up and runs and is nominated, they will win. The primary race, and who runs, will determine if the Democrats can stick around long enough to move the needle on the great needs of the time.
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For the past few weeks since the firing of the defense secretary, Trump has been putting loyalists in high positions in the intelligence, military and special ops communities. Everyone has been wondering why. It turns out these organizations have been ordered not to talk to the Biden transition team. It seems the objective is to keep his successor in the dark for as long as possible.
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(12-04-2020, 09:55 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: For the past few weeks since the firing of the defense secretary, Trump has been putting loyalists in high positions in the intelligence, military and special ops communities. Everyone has been wondering why. It turns out these organizations have been ordered not to talk to the Biden transition team. It seems the objective is to keep his successor in the dark for as long as possible.
My take: they want Biden to fail. If Trump can't get a second term, then he can try to make Joe Biden a one-term President. I am surprised that President Trump has yet to tank the economy. The unconscionable is the norm with this President.
It thoroughly sickens me that Mike Flynn has tried to regain some authority in public life. There is someone who ought to retire to some activity that has nothing to do with the government except for paying taxes to the IRS on its profits.
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(12-05-2020, 04:10 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Damn! I wish this were not so!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1334127430257291264
It seems like at the moment the denial, revenge and pardon me phases are happening at the same time. It is hard to hurt the incoming president while at the same time not hurting America. With obstruction being the Republican game, and the Georgia runoffs pending, you would think they would be a bit more careful about it?
It is time to do what is best for America rather than what is best (supposedly) for your party.
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(12-05-2020, 08:38 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (12-05-2020, 04:10 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Damn! I wish this were not so!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1334127430257291264
It seems like at the moment the denial, revenge and pardon me phases are happening at the same time. It is hard to hurt the incoming president while at the same time not hurting America. With obstruction being the Republican game, and the Georgia runoffs pending, you would think they would be a bit more careful about it?
It is time to do what is best for America rather than what is best (supposedly) for your party.
Donald Trump is the sort who would punish America for 'betraying' him. His ego is paramount. Remember: he is a Boomer and he is the worst that a Boomer can be while none of the best. This man makes Richard Nixon seem like a kind-hearted person. The question is whether he can aside from his large-scale negligent homicide involving COVID-19.
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(12-02-2020, 03:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (12-01-2020, 11:13 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (12-01-2020, 04:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I assume Biden will cause/creates more problems than he solves like the Democrats who proceeded him. I think everyone knows that COVID will be solved. So, I'll give Biden credit for keeping that promise right now. Is Biden going to solve racism? Biden would have to kill every racist regardless of their race or gender (racist blacks are just as racist as racist whites these days). Racism is still to lucrative for Biden and the Democrats to solve at this point. I don't see the SWJ's embracing equality and giving up their jobs and all the fruits associated with their jobs either. I don't see Biden stopping dumping billions of American tax dollars into corrupt institutions and countries that most Americans don't trust or give two shits about either. I don't see Biden stopping climate change in it's tracks either.
At least he is trying to solve problems rather than perpetuating the status quo.
I agree COVID will be solved, though not before Trump and the Republicans makes it bad indeed.
The Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s resulted in laws which changed certain racist behaviors. It is likely to happen again if the Republican aren't in position to fight in favor of racism.
To some extent you need to enforce equality, or the racist will do what the racists have always done. I'm not a big fan of the SJWs either, but the fight should be fought.
I do tend to think the commitment to stop climate change will fall short during the crisis. The economic problems falling out of the the Republican lack of a COVID response are unnecessarily great. I anticipate a green awakening, as the young prophets try to correct the inadequate response.
The recent Republican shtick is to say that domestic spending, solving the problems of the working man and minorities, is socialism and thus not American. I'm not buying it. Government is necessary to attack certain problems, including domestic ones. Making it a habit to not solve problems will in the long term eventually catch up with you. The problems just become larger and more intense. Ask George III, Buchanan, Hoover and Trump what happens if you choose not to attack the central issues of a crisis.
Well, maybe not George III or Trump. They had / have problems grasping reality.
Stopping climate change is high on the Biden agenda. It will be dealt with, and must be during the crisis if there is to be a green awakening that will take solutions further. The covid vaccines will end this current crisis in 2021, but that will not end the fourth turning. I doubt the green change will be what we need in a Biden first term, unless the miracle I predicted happens and a big Democratic victory happens in the 2022 midterms. It is possible if the millennials, all of whom will be eligible to vote for the first time, plus early Gen Z, live up to their civic archetype and vote. It will take a qualified and likable Democrat (i.e. not Kamala Harris) to be nominated in 2024 and win and carry congress with him or her in order to take the crisis mood to its climax and burst through the barriers and the resistance. This crisis climax in 2025 is still to come.
How will the voters react to the first 2 years of Biden? Will they have less to react against than they did in 1994 and 2010, because a major health care reform will not pass or get very far this time? Or will younger people give up again because the Republicans stopped Biden from getting much done, and they blame Biden unfairly, as they did to Obama in 2010 and Clinton in 1994? Biden should get some credit for handling the covid crisis better, and an economic recovery may help him and Democrats in the upcoming elections.
Biden and the blue states can do quite a lot on the climate crisis, even despite resistance from the McConnellites and Trumpists. California will lead the way under Gov. Newsom and our Democratic legislature, and General Motors is willing to get on board and adhere to CA pollution and climate standards. That may be a big deal; credit where credit is due! Electric cars will make a big difference in blue states and even in some southern red ones where alternative energy is coming online to power them. The market continues to favor solar and wind energy, and investments and jobs are growing in the renewable sector. The USA will rejoin the climate accord on Biden's Day One, and USA leadership by the Biden admin will make a difference in the world.
Biden won't be President for long and you already know what's going to happen when Harris becomes President. So, it's waiting game at this point. As I've told you, we'll watch as Rome burns . America ain't going away and America understands the difference between racism and the need for more border security and the job of enforcing immigration laws. It also knows the difference between fascism and American defense and American law enforcement. The political circus that you and others are directly associated with will end in disaster. America stepping away is what your going to see as a bunch of self serving, self loathing, self absorbed tycoons and political whores learn a lesson or two about real life. America doesn't care about you or your issues or Obama or Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney or Tesla or Ford Motors or Citibank more than it cares about it's country and you'll all will find that out the hard way. There is now a clear separation/distinction between the American people and all the shit associated with it government today. The media are a bunch of fucking idiots in my opinion but whatever, the damage they created is already done and your fucked in my opinion. You don't know this but we already have you by the balls so to speak. Trump will formally concede during a national address, do a Douglas MacArthur "I shall return promise" and more or less leave the keys to the White House hanging on the door.
As I said, there's a lot of you (a Democratic system that's reliant upon America staying together and quasi socialists with alternative motives or oil and water constituency) and a lot of us (hard core Americans). Biden represents the interests of Washington DC and Wall Street and the interests associated a bunch of fucked up cities and state governments and a group of global tycoons and the interests of a political cult/ social justice warriors who seem hell bent on destroying everything that's good (the fabric) that made America Great. You eliminate what's good (the fabric), what's left? Your fucked in the head, Obama is an arrogant fuck head who didn't have a man like me around to teach or contend with as a kid. When the coddled for life and silver spoons meet the American self made and unprotected who could give to shit less about them or all the problems and trouble they cause for them, it's going to be a quick and unfair (heavily one sided) fight. Once again, nature always wins.
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(12-05-2020, 04:06 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: The media are a bunch of fucking idiots in my opinion but whatever, the damage they created is already done and your fucked in my opinion. You don't know this but we already have you by the balls so to speak.
You seem to be confusing your own opinion and that of the Republican base with America. I tend to find your line about “a bunch of self serving, self loathing, self absorbed tycoons and political whores” as describing the Trump movement particularly well. They don’t seem to understand stepping above the self serving me first attitude of the unraveling and going for the self sacrifice and community service of the crisis. They don’t seem to understand that certain problems eventually must be solved, and the willingness of many to solve them. Without the shift in attitude and policy the Trump people remain disinterested in reality.
With the cooler weather the violence has stopped for the moment. The bad cops, secret police, Proud Boys, Wolverine Watchmen and others promoting red violence have ceased for the season. They will only start up again if the reds in obstruction mode resist addressing police violence and systematic racism. The real America has spoken clearly enough on that issue.
The US armed forces have been dealing more with preventing autocratic expansion and the recent attempt at neo colonialism. It has not been about defending America, but about projecting power far abroad. Calling the military the Defense Department is a piece of propaganda. The military shouldn’t be involved in fighting US citizens or defending the borders.
I understand that the coastal media has been trying to tell you what you don't want to hear, but that is more your fault than theirs.
So it is indeed a waiting game until January 20th. I only hope there are not too many problems about Trump’s attempts to sabotage America as he goes out.
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(12-05-2020, 04:06 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: (12-02-2020, 03:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: (12-01-2020, 11:13 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: (12-01-2020, 04:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I assume Biden will cause/creates more problems than he solves like the Democrats who proceeded him. I think everyone knows that COVID will be solved. So, I'll give Biden credit for keeping that promise right now. Is Biden going to solve racism? Biden would have to kill every racist regardless of their race or gender (racist blacks are just as racist as racist whites these days). Racism is still to lucrative for Biden and the Democrats to solve at this point. I don't see the SWJ's embracing equality and giving up their jobs and all the fruits associated with their jobs either. I don't see Biden stopping dumping billions of American tax dollars into corrupt institutions and countries that most Americans don't trust or give two shits about either. I don't see Biden stopping climate change in it's tracks either.
At least he is trying to solve problems rather than perpetuating the status quo.
I agree COVID will be solved, though not before Trump and the Republicans makes it bad indeed.
The Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s resulted in laws which changed certain racist behaviors. It is likely to happen again if the Republican aren't in position to fight in favor of racism.
To some extent you need to enforce equality, or the racist will do what the racists have always done. I'm not a big fan of the SJWs either, but the fight should be fought.
I do tend to think the commitment to stop climate change will fall short during the crisis. The economic problems falling out of the the Republican lack of a COVID response are unnecessarily great. I anticipate a green awakening, as the young prophets try to correct the inadequate response.
The recent Republican shtick is to say that domestic spending, solving the problems of the working man and minorities, is socialism and thus not American. I'm not buying it. Government is necessary to attack certain problems, including domestic ones. Making it a habit to not solve problems will in the long term eventually catch up with you. The problems just become larger and more intense. Ask George III, Buchanan, Hoover and Trump what happens if you choose not to attack the central issues of a crisis.
Well, maybe not George III or Trump. They had / have problems grasping reality.
Stopping climate change is high on the Biden agenda. It will be dealt with, and must be during the crisis if there is to be a green awakening that will take solutions further. The covid vaccines will end this current crisis in 2021, but that will not end the fourth turning. I doubt the green change will be what we need in a Biden first term, unless the miracle I predicted happens and a big Democratic victory happens in the 2022 midterms. It is possible if the millennials, all of whom will be eligible to vote for the first time, plus early Gen Z, live up to their civic archetype and vote. It will take a qualified and likable Democrat (i.e. not Kamala Harris) to be nominated in 2024 and win and carry congress with him or her in order to take the crisis mood to its climax and burst through the barriers and the resistance. This crisis climax in 2025 is still to come.
How will the voters react to the first 2 years of Biden? Will they have less to react against than they did in 1994 and 2010, because a major health care reform will not pass or get very far this time? Or will younger people give up again because the Republicans stopped Biden from getting much done, and they blame Biden unfairly, as they did to Obama in 2010 and Clinton in 1994? Biden should get some credit for handling the covid crisis better, and an economic recovery may help him and Democrats in the upcoming elections.
Biden and the blue states can do quite a lot on the climate crisis, even despite resistance from the McConnellites and Trumpists. California will lead the way under Gov. Newsom and our Democratic legislature, and General Motors is willing to get on board and adhere to CA pollution and climate standards. That may be a big deal; credit where credit is due! Electric cars will make a big difference in blue states and even in some southern red ones where alternative energy is coming online to power them. The market continues to favor solar and wind energy, and investments and jobs are growing in the renewable sector. The USA will rejoin the climate accord on Biden's Day One, and USA leadership by the Biden admin will make a difference in the world.
Biden won't be President for long and you already know what's going to happen when Harris becomes President. So, it's waiting game at this point. As I've told you, we'll watch as Rome burns . America ain't going away and America understands the difference between racism and the need for more border security and the job of enforcing immigration laws. It also knows the difference between fascism and American defense and American law enforcement. The political circus that you and others are directly associated with will end in disaster. America stepping away is what your going to see as a bunch of self serving, self loathing, self absorbed tycoons and political whores learn a lesson or two about real life. America doesn't care about you or your issues or Obama or Jeb Bush or Mitt Romney or Tesla or Ford Motors or Citibank more than it cares about it's country and you'll all will find that out the hard way. There is now a clear separation/distinction between the American people and all the shit associated with its government today. The media are a bunch of fucking idiots in my opinion but whatever, the damage they created is already done and you're fucked in my opinion. You don't know this but we already have you by the balls so to speak. Trump will formally concede during a national address, do a Douglas MacArthur "I shall return promise" and more or less leave the keys to the White House hanging on the door.
As I said, there's a lot of you (a Democratic system that's reliant upon America staying together and quasi socialists with alternative motives or oil and water constituency) and a lot of us (hard core Americans). Biden represents the interests of Washington DC and Wall Street and the interests associated (with) a bunch of fucked up cities and state governments and a group of global tycoons and the interests of a political cult/ social justice warriors who seem hell bent on destroying everything that's good (the fabric) that made America Great. You eliminate what's good (the fabric), what's left? Your fucked in the head, Obama is an arrogant fuck head who didn't have a man like me around to teach or contend with as a kid. When the coddled for life and silver spoons meet the American self made and unprotected who could give to shit less about them or all the problems and trouble they cause for them, it's going to be a quick and unfair (heavily one sided) fight. Once again, nature always wins.
I have to go by my horoscope score method, since it is based on actual events. If it is right, then I have to predict that Kamala Harris will never be president. No-one with that low a score has even ever inherited the position. And I don't see her score changing to anything near positive; it was 4-16, and now it's 3-17. Therefore, I predict Biden will serve out at least one term.
America knows that xenophobia (fear of immigrants) is racist, but you don't. That's OK, Biden won and he's going to open the borders again. "border security and the job of enforcing immigration laws" will still happen; we just won't have the cruel and unnecessary punishment and abandonment of American laws and ideals that happened under your policies, and under your guy. And you don't know the difference between fascism and law enforcement; otherwise you and the rest of you Republican voters would be more concerned with police brutality based on race than with a few illegal riots-- often stoked by your guys. "a bunch of self serving, self loathing, self absorbed tycoons and political whores learn a lesson or two about real life" sounds exactly like what Trump and you guys will be going through, except I seriously doubt that you guys will learn anything. You haven't for 40 years and counting. Social justice IS "what's good." But "Tesla or Ford Motors or Citibank" and "Wall Street" and all the rest of big business is all you guys care about, and vote for. You "hard core Americans" are hard core losers, and you just can't face up to who you are: provincial, parochial, backwoods idiots.
Trump won't concede. But he will leave, and he will never get the keys again, though he will keep his base alive and try. You can't lose twice and hope to ever win a legitimate election on a third try. And he won't be able to cheat his way in again, as he did in 2016, and is trying so damn hard to do now. Your "nature always wins" social darwinism will lose out to quasi socialism, because people are not isolated individuals, but depend on cooperating with each other to accomplish anything great. America was never great, and therefore won't be made great again; it may never be great, but only by defeating you guys thoroughly and completely forever does it stand any chance to be great or even good or long-enduring past today.
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