saeculum harmonics

[Kinser79]

(05-22-2016, 12:40 PM)Odin Wrote:

(05-22-2016, 10:00 AM)Mikebert Wrote: What a minute.  There was a thread on the old site called the megasaeculum.  It proposed the idea that just as their are four turnings in a saeculum, there are four saecula in a megasaecula.  I could swear I recall that the Plague 4T was a mega-crisis 4T or super-crisis, which would make the Reformation a mega-awakening 2T, or a super-awakening.   Counting down four from the Plague 4T the American Revolution would be the next mega-crisis 4T, making the current 4T a mega-unraveling 4T, so that fits.

Eric doesn't believe in the Mega-Saeculum idea because it goes against his beliefs about what is "supposed" to happen (that is, we somehow entered an eternal 2T "Golden Age" that is only apparent to New Agers like him)

Only partially correct. It is only apparent to him because he's the only New Ager I've come across that even remotely says that stuff. And it is off the wall even for New Agers and that is saying something.

@Mike

Generally speaking those who subscribe to a Mega-Saeculum theory believe that the Black Death was a Mega-Crisis 4T or a natural event so catestrophic as to reset the Megasaecular clock to be a Mega-Crisis 4T. The effect of losing between 1/3rd to 1/2 of the European population put major stress on the feudal system which had been operating at that time between 3 and 4 centuries (or roughly 3 or 4 saeculua).

As such that lead to a Mega-Awakening during the Reformation which started the downward slide of late medieval society or early modern society depending on your point of view culminating in a Mega-Crisis that burned away much of the old order in the French Revolution, American Revolution and the Charterist and other English Reform movements. Other countries on the continent tried to suppress the revolutions and lead to massive fire storms in 1848 which should be a 2T.

This of course means that in the US in particular but also UK and France the saeculum immediately following the French and other revolutions would be a Mega-Resolution (or high if you prefer but I hate that descriptor because it leads people into wrongful thinking as to what a 1T in general is like and Mega-1Ts in particular). In the US we would call it the Civil War Saeculum. Which leads to the Great Power Saeculum where through the whole saeculum we have new ideas about government and economics, new technologies, new energy sources new everything.

In the MillSaec we end up with a major drawn out contest between the forces of Capitalism and Liberalism (and I mean that in the classical sense) and Socialism, and finally leading to a 4T that really turns into a cultural version of a civil war.

This of course leads me to conclude that the Next Saeculum must as a matter of course lead to a saeculum of crises one following after the other as the current modern system breaks down completely--indeed we're already starting to see part of that, and the adoption of the next "post-modern"* form of social organization afterward.

This patern I've also observed in Russian history, though to be clear unlike others here I view Russia as being a separate entity to the West, and it seems a great deal of Eastern Europe follows Russia's saecular pattern particularly those parts of Eastern and South Eastern Europe where Orthodox Christians are the majority religion.

It is less clear if this can be replicated in India and the Far East. And there is also the question of whether the S&H style of generations and saeculums requires material conditions that only appeared in the West and Russia-East Europe civs.

*Note: I used post-modern to indicate that which comes after the current Megasaeculum and should not be confused with the philosophical nonsense known as post-modernism.