The Next 10 Years: A Deep Sense of Foreboding

[Eric the Green]

(12-08-2016, 09:30 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-08-2016, 07:23 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-08-2016, 09:15 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-06-2016, 06:01 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-05-2016, 11:26 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: So how come claims about millions of illegal voters without proof are "bogus" but conspiracy theories about voting machine manipulation without proof are perfectly all right?

Oh, right, because MSNBC is populated by partisan hacks like Maddow.

In the Trump case, he just blurted out an unsupported comment, and left it there as a factoid of truthiness.  In the case of the machines possibly being manipulated, we have foreigners directly intervening in the election process (some have admitted it proudly) and machines ripe for manipulation.  Even at that, no one is saying it happened, just that it should be checked.  If Trump has some potential fraud to investigate, that should be checked too ... but, apparently, he doesn't.

There are plenty of documented cases of noncitizens being registered and voting.  Recounts can't catch those cases because ballots are anonymous by that point.  That's why Republicans have to use preventative measures, like requiring actual proof of citizenship for registration and ID at the voting location.

Trump isn't President yet and a new federal law would be required to make California check for and purge noncitizens from their voter rolls.  Maybe it will happen and then we will see whether it's in the millions.

California already does that; the only difference from the Trump states is that CA does it not at the polling place, in order to discourage the people Republicans don't like from voting, but afterward and beforehand, at the registrar's offices.

We covered this earlier; California only requires a statement, not proof.  If you provide the last four digits of a social security number, they never ask for any other form of ID, either on registration or on voting.

Can't the registrar of voters compare the name and those last 4 digits to verify this form of ID?

There are not 2.9 million illegal immigrants in California, so they could not have given Hillary her popular vote margin.

Asking for photo IDs at a polling place does not prevent non-citizens from voting. A careful check at the office does.