(08-22-2016, 07:13 AM)Odin Wrote: The Saeculum in Europe seems to be about 4 or 5 years behind the US because the 4T did not really end there until 1949 and the post-war social and political order fully took shape.
So? I think there is a lot of merit to saying 1948 was the first 1T year in Europe, but Turning duration is elastic. Some Turnings are shorter or longer than others. A European 1T lasting from 1948-1964 (or 1963), that is 15-16 years, is still in the ballpark of an approximate 20-year Turning length and does not conflict with the theory, as I understand it.
Likewise, the 3T might have begun earlier in Europe than the United States, even being exported across the Atlantic to some extent (like in the case of the 2T), but I don't actually think such was the case. If you have to do it, the best year for drawing the line in America was and probably remains 1980. Approximately the same as over here.
Every time period believes the Crisis "is now".
1970 Core X
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1970 Core X
Gothenburg, Sweden