America is a sick society

[Eric the Green]

(01-07-2017, 07:52 PM)radind Wrote:

(01-07-2017, 05:54 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(01-07-2017, 09:31 AM)radind Wrote:

(01-07-2017, 05:51 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: The world is safe enough with the USA as a benign superpower. It is in mortal danger with the USA as an Evil Empire. So what is the difference between a benign superpower and an Evil Empire? A moral or at least cautious leader... and an evil, reckless one.

Much that was unthinkable two years ago or unlikely two months ago stares us in the face. A benign republic becomes an Evil Empire in two weeks.

You see the USA becoming Evil. I see the USA becoming better.
-We must wait for results to see what actually happens. 
For now , all we have is speculation.

How does it get better? We get for all practical practical purposes a single-Party system.We have a ruling elite which believes that no human suffering is in excess so long as there is a profit to be had from it. The President-Elect is a demagogue and a sociopath. Corporate lobbyists wield the real power in the legislative branch. We will have an economic order with no mercy.

I do not see Donald Trump becoming a good person. He acts like a juvenile delinquent who never grew up. Had he been brought up poor he would be a gangster -- and still dangerous. If he were middle class he would be the sort of businessman who operates a sleazy business -- maybe some real-estate dealer who sells troubled properties and tells gulled  customers "Sorry, I can;t do anything more", or the operator of a bait-and-switch outfit.

It is as if Gilded-Age politicians of the 1920s and earlier and southern racist agrarians have joined in establishing an anti-worker system. Sure, there will be work -- but it will be paid far less.

We have totally different views of the situation. I was concerned about the future of the USA if Clinton had been elected.
I expect reforms to help US business and jobs. We will know later.

You said much the same after the 2014 election. You said the GOP would cooperate with the president for the public good. What results did you see from the Republican Congress in 2015 and 2016?

There was no basis for concern for the future if Clinton had been elected. That concern belongs to Donald Trump. If you expected Clinton to bring trouble, you'd have to say that the last 8 years have been trouble. What is your basis for such an idea? That people can't use "religious freedom" as an excuse to discriminate against gays? Is there substantial basis for you saying the last 8 years have been horrible?

Quote:You see the USA becoming Evil. I see the USA becoming better.
-We must wait for results to see what actually happens.
For now , all we have is speculation.

I don't see that as "we" waiting for results, if by "results" you mean an overturning of gay rights. If that's your definition of "results," then we will not agree with you regardless of what happens.