ACA Repeal/Replace: Progressives Face Moral Dilemma

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(01-15-2017, 11:05 PM)SomeGuy Wrote:

(01-15-2017, 10:59 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-15-2017, 08:23 PM)Odin Wrote:

(01-15-2017, 10:56 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-14-2017, 11:03 PM)Odin Wrote: A lot of people already get insurance through their employer and those people don't want to pay the higher taxes needed for a single payer system. It's "I've got mine, fuck you".

More like, "I'd rather keep paying for my efficient private insurance than pay more for an inferior public monopoly like the VA or NHS."

Medicare as it currently exists can't even survive retirement of the full baby boom; even now, it has gotten sufficiently inadequate that supplemental insurance is pretty much required.

I have to agree with David, here, Medicare is vastly superior to private insurance. Your ideology is blinding you, Warren.

More likely yours is blinding you.

I dunno, Warren, the experience of other developed nations seems to suggest that, in the absence of a genuinely free market system (which would likely raise its own issues, albeit not the same ones), some form of universal insurance* would probably be cheaper and provide at least as good outcomes.

* An actual public monopoly along the lines cited by you (VA, NHS, etc.), less so.

It would be nice if those developed nations weren't so reliant upon us for their national security and so forth. How many large global commitments and defense agreements does the government France or any of the other developed nations have tied to them financially?