ACA Repeal/Replace: Progressives Face Moral Dilemma

[Eric the Green]

(01-20-2017, 03:51 PM)X_4AD_84 Wrote:

(01-20-2017, 03:17 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-20-2017, 02:35 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: As noted in my post, Obamacare actively disincentivizes dissemination of information on effective preventive care.

Agreed that increased self care is the answer.  That of course implies decreased government intervention and decreased reliance on employer provided care.

I don't agree that Obamacare does that. Increased self-care does not "of course" imply decreased government intervention and decreased reliance on employer provided care." Most people cannot afford health care without insurance regulated by or provided by the state. Libertarian economics is wrong. Reaganomics is wrong. Neo-liberalism or whatever else you call it is wrong. Free enterprise alone does not work; never did and never will. Reverting to the situation before Obamacare will just be reverting to the crisis in which people and businesses alike were going bankrupt and going to the cemetery before their time.

It is the health insurance industry that profits from more people being sick. Real health care will decrease sickness and will bring down costs with preventive and holistic care and Western medicine when needed, made available to all with affordable insurance guided by or provided by the government. I hope someday it can be established.

It's not the insurance companies who profit from illness it's a subset of the care providers. The insurance companies want you to pay your premiums but make no claims. That's why they make it so painful to have actual claims and why they deny or reduce claims. Meanwhile, certain providers (especially ones that don't take Medicare and who are very selective about which insurance plans they accept) rake it in. Now to be fair, I know some providers who do take Medicare and are being short paid by insurance - they are not exactly raking it in.

The insurance companies jack up premiums to the hilt. As for providers, I don't think doctors are necessarily greedy, and medicare and insurance companies tamper it down. But some doctors are very wealthy, and hospitals charge too much unless restrained. So it's a mixed bag with them.