ACA Repeal/Replace: Progressives Face Moral Dilemma

[Eric the Green]

(01-20-2017, 06:06 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-20-2017, 02:56 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-20-2017, 03:17 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-20-2017, 12:43 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: If what you claim about yourself is true, then I will not see further posts from you that suggest a link between liberal welfare policies/your taxes and poor people of color. When I don't see that from you, then I will know that the racist dog-whistle does not get a response in you.

That doesn't mean it does not get a response in many other "conservatives." (if not in all)

Meanwhile, the divide has come from the right-wing. I watched PBS Frontline's "Divided States of America" last night, and was reminded of the tactics and angry fanaticism of the people you are siding with, and what they have done over the last decades and especially during Obama's term to force their will on us and shut down the government. I think the divide is pretty well baked in now until one side wins and a consensus is thereby achieved. It may not be a full consensus, but at least the nation will move on. If it moves in a progressive way, the nation will prosper. If it moves in the direction you have supported, it will not. As to who will win, sure your side is winning now. But the nation remains evenly divided, and the winner goes back and forth. You may be disappointed if you think the contest is over.

That's my opinion and my prediction. Your opinion is your right. I'm quite happy for you to post it here.

A link exists between liberal welfare policies, my taxes and the poor people of all color. I cannot deny and exclude the poor people of color from the group to appease you in order to stop your use of racism and its use by others associated with you against me. So, continue the crap you are doing but do so with the understanding that I know what you're doing and I'm going to counter it in a way that begins to turn people against you here. I've done it before and I can do it again. Hint: The hardcore Democratic barrier that once existed no longer exists between us. I eliminated it by revealing the truth to them and changing their views (the way they looked) at people like you.

Good luck with that. I can't speak for others. But by admitting that you cannot deny the link "between liberal welfare policies, my taxes and the poor people of all color," you confirm your own racism, and others and well as myself will use it against you and "others associated with you" effectively.

If you choose, you and others can embrace instead a better balance between the virtues of self-reliance and the virtues of interdependence and civic responsibility, and not respond to racist dog-whistle delusions. If you deny the link between "poor people of color" and "liberal welfare policies and my taxes," then you are not vulnerable to charges of racism. It's up to you.

Do you deny that there is a link between your liberal social programs, my taxes and the poor people of all colors? How are my taxes being excluded from supporting them? I assume you would agree that local/state/federal taxes are all required to fund liberal programs. I hope you're not stupid enough to think/believe that I'm not a US taxpayer, a Minnesota taxpayer, a local taxpayer, a past employee who paid taxes or a current business owner who pays in more taxes than he did as an employee. Calling me a liar to my face would not be good for you do in a real life verbal exchange or an internet exchange with you here for that matter. What's the virtue involved with someone being allowed to leach off of someone else? Let me guess, one of your own virtues that you'd normally assume that I'd be too stupid/ financially complacent enough to accept. I'm learning more about you every time you open your mouth. Well, if you choose to call us racists and associate me with racism and I'm going to counter you with the use of gold digger/free loader or something even nastier which means the same that is more truthful, directly applicable that will stick to all of you quite well. It's up to you.

If you say poor people of ALL colors, that's OK; yes the poor come in all colors. If you say "there is a link between your liberal social programs, my taxes and the poor people OF color," that's the racist dog whistle. Opposing welfare for racist reasons is opposing "sending my tax money which the government steals from me to give to lazy blacks and hispanics."

I don't get why you bring up that you pay taxes. That's just a smokescreen to avoid the issue. The issue is you don't want to pay taxes for liberal social programs. That's where I disagree.

It's not leeching; it's social insurance. If you knew history, you might understand why that was an advancement on earlier conditions.