ACA Repeal/Replace: Progressives Face Moral Dilemma

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(01-21-2017, 01:48 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-20-2017, 11:27 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-20-2017, 08:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-20-2017, 06:06 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-20-2017, 02:56 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Good luck with that. I can't speak for others. But by admitting that you cannot deny the link "between liberal welfare policies, my taxes and the poor people of all color," you confirm your own racism, and others and well as myself will use it against you and "others associated with you" effectively.

If you choose, you and others can embrace instead a better balance between the virtues of self-reliance and the virtues of interdependence and civic responsibility, and not respond to racist dog-whistle delusions. If you deny the link between "poor people of color" and "liberal welfare policies and my taxes," then you are not vulnerable to charges of racism. It's up to you.

Do you deny that there is a link between your liberal social programs, my taxes and the poor people of all colors? How are my taxes being excluded from supporting them? I assume you would agree that local/state/federal taxes are all required to fund liberal programs. I hope you're not stupid enough to think/believe that I'm not a US taxpayer, a Minnesota taxpayer, a local taxpayer, a past employee who paid taxes or a current business owner who pays in more taxes than he did as an employee. Calling me a liar to my face would not be good for you do in a real life verbal exchange or an internet exchange with you here for that matter. What's the virtue involved with someone being allowed to leach off of someone else? Let me guess, one of your own virtues that you'd normally assume that I'd be too stupid/ financially complacent enough to accept. I'm learning more about you every time you open your mouth. Well, if you choose to call us racists and associate me with racism and I'm going to counter you with the use of gold digger/free loader or something even nastier which means the same that is more truthful, directly applicable that will stick to all of you quite well. It's up to you.

If you say poor people of ALL colors, that's OK; yes the poor come in all colors. If you say "there is a link between your liberal social programs, my taxes and the poor people OF color," that's the racist dog whistle. Opposing welfare for racist reasons is opposing "sending my tax money which the government steals from me to give to lazy blacks and hispanics."

I don't get why you bring up that you pay taxes. That's just a smokescreen to avoid the issue. The issue is you don't want to pay taxes for liberal social programs. That's where I disagree.

It's not leeching; it's social insurance. If you knew history, you might understand why that was an advancement on earlier conditions.

Are you able to read your own initial demand of me that's clearly stated above? In order for you to withdraw you're use of racism, I'd have to exclude/deny the existence of poor people of color associated with liberal welfare policies which my taxes (your taxes as you stated to me above) are associated with their support at all levels. I can't do that for you *to appease you* for my own sake *spare myself from you use of racist and your association of me with racism* because that would be dishonest of me to do so. So, we have a problem now don't we. You see, I know that I'm a taxpayer who has contributed taxes to all levels for many years. I bring it up to see your response. So far, you've been failing miserably as far as your responses and possibilities of receiving further support. Social insurance for what, preventing a riot or revolt or a race war? Extortion isn't a virtue of mine or a value of mine either. So, we have another problem now don't we. I know modern history pretty well *better than most*. You actually run into my knowledge of modern history quite a bit.

I don't see that; your fellow traveler Mr. Glick, stubborn and wrong as he is, has been more challenging in that regard than you are. I don't see much of history from you. If you knew history, you would know how bad conditions were before we had the Progressive Movement, New Deal and Great Society.

It seems to me that you "honestly" admit your racism, but don't like the label. But if the shoe fits, why not wear it? Calling taxes for social services "extortion" is just typical libertarian economics slogans that you have fallen for. You are hypnotized by them, and perhaps someday you'll wake up. As of now, I wouldn't bet on it. You pay your taxes, I credit you, but you oppose doing so, don't you, if they go for social services to poor people of color? Which some of them do since you live in a blue state?

If I was racist, I would accept the label. If the shoe doesn't fit, why wear it? I don't use history like others. I use my knowledge of history as a guide. I associate your basic ideology and beliefs and propaganda and obvious expressions of hatred with other groups associated with our historical past. I oppose paying taxes that indirectly support/fund progressives like you. Plus, I'm not a believer in the welfare system itself.