ACA Repeal/Replace: Progressives Face Moral Dilemma

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(01-26-2017, 01:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 01:24 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 10:37 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(01-25-2017, 05:08 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-24-2017, 09:20 PM)TnT Wrote: The sheer ignorance of the above statement is staggering.

It is clear to me that the chasm between the belief systems is too large to be spanned.

At least now you know why you can't have a civil conversation with the other side on the issue:  your side can't stay civil when you see a statement you disagree with.

I think Tim's point is simple enough.  It's impossible to argue a point when the basic underlying facts are in dispute.

It's not the underlying facts that are in dispute; it's the underlying philosophy.

It's both.

Your side has an incorrect philosophy that nevertheless has strong appeal. The slogans of freedom and less government have the effect of clouding out the truth. After all, who likes "the government"?

And your side is adept at ignoring the facts about which philosophy actually works, and endlessly trying to spin them in your direction. Your alternative-facts universe is enough to convince poorly-educated voters, and that's what the bosses that you support depend on.

It's not as much about less government or the elimination of government, it's about lessening governments power of influence and control. I believe in a constitutionally limited government. Who wants their government to have power and influence over themselves? Who wants their government to have the power to make their decisions and in determining their beliefs for them and power to control them with money, threats, intimidation and so on? I'd say, no one other than clueless people. Have you ever had a foreign money merchant call you on the phone disguising themselves as IRS agents? I have. They remind me of you. I don't believe in the governments you'd prefer and seem to favor.