ACA Repeal/Replace: Progressives Face Moral Dilemma

[Eric the Green]

(01-26-2017, 05:09 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 01:44 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 01:24 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(01-26-2017, 10:37 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(01-25-2017, 05:08 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: At least now you know why you can't have a civil conversation with the other side on the issue:  your side can't stay civil when you see a statement you disagree with.

I think Tim's point is simple enough.  It's impossible to argue a point when the basic underlying facts are in dispute.

It's not the underlying facts that are in dispute; it's the underlying philosophy.

It's both.

Your side has an incorrect philosophy that nevertheless has strong appeal. The slogans of freedom and less government have the effect of clouding out the truth. After all, who likes "the government"?

And your side is adept at ignoring the facts about which philosophy actually works, and endlessly trying to spin them in your direction. Your alternative-facts universe is enough to convince poorly-educated voters, and that's what the bosses that you support depend on.

It's not as much about less government or the elimination of government, it's about lessening governments power of influence and control. I believe in a constitutionally limited government. Who wants their government to have power and influence over themselves? Who wants their government to have the power to make their decisions and in determining their beliefs for them and power to control them with money, threats, intimidation and so on? I'd say, no one other than clueless people. Have you ever had a foreign money merchant call you on the phone disguising themselves as IRS agents? I have. They remind me of you. I don't believe in the governments you'd prefer and seem to favor.

Yes indeed; "less government's power of influence and control" is an appealing slogan. But I am more concerned about big business' power of influence and control, and our government is the only potential check on what they do to workers, consumers, the environment and the economy. The government is needed to "control them" and keep us safe from them. That is the kind of "governments I'd prefer and seem to favor." As long as small business and regular folks contribute a decent and fair share and follow fair laws, they have no reason to be against "governments I'd prefer and seem to favor." I'm all in favor of fewer regulations on small business and family farmers if they are not needed to protect workers, consumers, the environment and the economy.

The Party you support, for example, wants to give favor to big business on the internet, so that users like us are stuck with an internet that's slower and has less of a voice. I support what Obama's FCC did to rein in these big companies and keep the internet neutral. That's the kind of "government I'd prefer and seem to favor."