Grey Champions and the Election of 2016

[Marypoza]

(02-20-2017, 02:02 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-20-2017, 12:30 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-18-2017, 10:59 PM)TnT Wrote:

(02-17-2017, 04:12 PM)Marypoza Wrote:

(02-17-2017, 04:04 PM)TnT Wrote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...da0aa5e7a1

I'm currently voting for John McCain as Grey Champion.  Lord knows I disagree with him on a host of issues, but I don't doubt his good faith affection for the best for our country.

-- You are aware that McStain is pimping a Ukrainian war

http://news.antiwar.com/2017/02/03/sens-...offensive/


-- l'm sticking with Bernie

There are a lot of moving parts here.  Given the equivocal nature of Trump's relationships with Putin and Russia, one can't help but wonder what might be on the menu for other eastern European countries in the face of the possibility of Trump thinking he can "make a deal" with Putin or whatever the hell is in Trump's head.

If, on the other hand, some serious posturing were done in the Ukraine, Putin might take pause in his re-taking/rebuilding the good old USSR.

Sure, it's risky.  Everything is risky.  So is allowing Putin to do whatever the hell he wants to do.  And Trump may be the guy to allow that.

So, if you were President, what would be YOUR overall strategy in projecting, or not projecting, the U.S.'s perspective into the world at large?

-- l pretty much agree with Rags- we need to stay/butt out (whichever applies) of other countries affairs. I've always found it hypocritical that the Govt- this so-called bastion of democracy- props up dictators & thugs, occasionally even overthrowing a democratically elected govt (hello Chile, Honduras, to name 2 off the top of my head) & now this misadventure in  the Ukraine. l generally consider it hyperbolic when folx compare your run of the mill garden variety thug to Hitler, but in the case of these Ukranians there might be something to it considering their daddies & grandaddies were probably working for the Real Thing back in the day. And McStain, et al, is propping up this scheisse. Pretty disgusting imho

The Ukrainians, like the Syrians, have thrown out a Russian-backed corrupt (though not as brutal) dictator, and now Putin continues to foment a pro-Russian revolt in Eastern Ukraine. He has gobbled up Crimea in violation of international law. Putin is an aggressive tyrant, and he can't be allowed to gobble up more territory without some blowback.

I guess under Trump he has some level of free reign to challenge the West. We'll see how far that goes. Right now I don't think the USA is supplying the Ukrainian government against the czarist rebels in the East, but I'm not sure. I'm not sure we should back them, or not, myself, with arms, as McCain wants. But Ukraine is not a NATO ally, so there's little likelihood that the USA would go to war to defend Ukraine, should Putin invade.

 
-- If l'm understanding this correctly, McStain is pimping these clowns:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-ne...ii/5373773