03-01-2017, 09:38 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-01-2017, 09:40 PM by Eric the Green.)
(03-01-2017, 04:06 PM)Marypoza Wrote:(03-01-2017, 03:48 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(03-01-2017, 03:44 PM)Marypoza Wrote:(03-01-2017, 02:31 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:(03-01-2017, 01:18 PM)Marypoza Wrote: -- supposed to get rid of the single payor argument for good. "Oh look! We got this crap! Who needs single payor?"
The repugs will come up with something even more crappy, which will just beg for single payor
Maybe. Unless people were to say, we've got ACA, but it's not good enough; we need further progress toward single payer.
Quote:The most insidious thing about obummercrap, which nobody seems to want to talk about, is that it forces you to buy something whether you can afford to or not (which is why most folx have these crappy plans with sky high deductibles, so they are basically still fronting their own health care, except now they are also throwing away $x/month to the insurance companies, but l digress) This sets a dangerous precedent. For instance: a common item that many budget planners tell folx in need of budget help to cut is cable. Given these Owellian times we are entering, what if Big Brother, um l mean Congress passes a law that everybody is required to have cable/internet, whether they can afford it or not. Since most cable companies are also internet providers, well, big windfall dontcha think? What if ppl were required to have a phone, & not just your cheapo run of the mill phone, but say an i-shit? There was a thread awhile back where souped up hitech rides were being discussed & l said l would be driving under the radar in my beat up old school rides. M&L said no, l would be ride sharing, or hitching rides or some such, iow, l would not be allowed to drive my low tech old schools & neither would anybody else be allowed to drive theirs. Keep in mind, nice cars, cable, i-shits.. like health care these are things most of us want, but not everybody can afford. Then Congress passes laws forcing everybody to buy them
Which is why, even tho l would much rather see obummercrap razed to the ground, l would be happy if the Donald simply makes it optional. The ppl who are getting their refunds taken from them are the ones that need it the most
-- single payer could emerge from the 4 T
-- makes sense. The Millies, like the GIs are a civic generation, so once they are running things they will probably lower the Medicare age to 0, if it hasn't been already
The Donald does nothing right, ever, or at all. Or as George Carlin would say, he doesn't "care about you, at all, at all, at all!"
-- agreed, but that's beside the point l was making
Well... you did say that you hoped The Donald would ditch Obama's "care." "l would be happy if the Donald simply makes it optional"
No, if HE does it, it won't be right
-- actually l was referring to the Carlin thing but, whatever. Yeah, the Donald could f it up
Eri Wrote:Quote:Quote:Health care is not cable TV; it's a necessity.
-- my point is if the Govt can force you to buy 1 thing, what to stop it from forcing you to buy other stuff? I agree health care is a right, a necessity, & l think if the Govt is going to insist on everybody having it then they should provide it instead forcing ppl to pony up hard earned $ into some f-ing ponzi scheme
That would be better, but we still have to pay one way or another.
-- well there's Rags' VAT. Or Bernie's Wall St tax. Or how about legalizing the country's #1 cash crop & taxing it? Or we don't have to tax anything or anybody- simply redirect $ from those 2 black holes called Iraq & Afghanistan into an expanded Medicare for all
All possibilities, but like I told Rags, the payroll tax has the advantage that people are earning the coverage, which makes it more acceptable in a nation of trickle-down welfare-haters. And in the case of Medicare, enrollees also pay quite a lot directly now to get Medicare Part B and maybe other Parts too. Medicare isn't much without Part B.
Oh, and the Carlin thing was not beside the point, it IS the point